The Barbarity of Christianity (as compared to Islam)

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Most of what you wrote was pure drivel, but exactly how is the religious right "oppressing" you or anyone?

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My gay friends cannot get married, and therefore their children suffer, because of the Religious Right.The Religious Right actively suppresses the teaching of science in public schools as much as it can.The Religious Right has actively prevented the FDA from approving various birth control methods, such as emergency contraception.The Religious Right has blocked scientific research.The Religious Right is grabbing my tax dollars in the form of federal grants and school vouchers which they use, in part, to evangelize to people.

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Your gay friends can get married, but marriage is by definition between a man and a woman. Why not support civil unions to give gays the benefits of marriage without redefining it?The religious right supports real science education, not the passing on of fantasies and propaganda and calling it science.Never heard of most of the religious right being against birth control. I think you are just wacked. There is opposition to RU-40 or whatever it is called for health reasons and the idea it kills after pregnancy.Religious right has blocked some research on ethical grounds. So has the non-religious Left. Nearly everyone believes some medical research is unethical. I suspect even you do. You just choose to demonize those that disagree with you.The Religious Right supports tax and spending cuts and so supports taking less of your tax dollars than what people like yourself wish to do.The Religious Right does not oppress you or anyone. You cannot and have not shown any oppression at all from the Religious Right.Edited by randman, : No reason given.

Ah ha! So Christianity, as ever, is a special case. What a surprise!Wahhabi Islam exists primarily in Saudi Arabia. However, the Muslim Brotherhood (a group which advocates an extreme political form of Islam), exists in all of those countries (except Iran of course).I don't know what "pattern" you're looking at, but the one I see is one of poverty and political turmoil. Both are catalysts of extremist religion.In any case, you have yet to demonstrate that all Muslims are extremists...

I have never claimed all Muslims are extremists. Why would you think that?The issue though is a very large portion of Islam is extremist when viewed from the perspective of western values of individual liberty.

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Why not support civil unions to give gays the benefits of marriage without redefining it?

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Much of the religious right is against that, too. Some of them are even against private companies granting the partners of gay employees health benefits.

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The religious right supports real science education, not the passing on of fantasies and propaganda and calling it science.

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That's been disproven in court. The religious right want to spread misinformation and religious indoctrination in science classes.

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Never heard of most of the religious right being against birth control. I think you are just wacked. There is opposition to RU-40 or whatever it is called for health reasons and the idea it kills after pregnancy.

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"Plan B" is a different drug from RU-486 and works in a different way. Why are the religious right against it ?

what many seem to be missing is that the "nations that contain nthese so called violrent islamist are areasof conflict even if you discount ant religion ..... the whole israel arab states conflict date back to the invasion of the jewish tribes taking others lands ... thus you end up with two populations both claiming the same land .. result conflict never mind adding religion in to the mixiraq made up of a number of historically hostile factions kept in control by dictatorship and forcesudan and much of the horn of africa are colonical countries in which the imperial power played off the differing tribal fgactions to keep control .. most where areas of conflict before and have remained so after the colonial power has left .. result more conflictthe fact that islam is the religion of the areas simple means that islam becomes invoiled in the conflic=t and is used as a tool to control and direct the population by those in and or seeking power ....remember in many of these nation education is very poor ..just as in european medievil history .. it is the clerics that are educated and take major roles in power and nation building .BTW as an example of how a religion can become tied up in a conflict even in the modern western world look at the past 100 years of irish history .. conflict where both sides claimed to be serving god .. with bombs and murder ..if conflict exists the local religion is drawn in .....

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Your gay friends can get married, but marriage is by definition between a man and a woman. Why not support civil unions to give gays the benefits of marriage without redefining it?

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1) The Religious Right has imposed it's will on everyone in the country by deciding for all of us what the definition of marriage is.2) The Religious Right opposes domestic partner/civil unions for homosexuals too. Remember the RR boycott of Disney?

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The religious right supports real science education, not the passing on of fantasies and propaganda and calling it science.

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The courts have determined the opposite, repeatedly finding that their efforts to supporess science and/or teach their own version of science is, in fact, religious indoctrination and suppression of science. The Religious Right seeks to be the arbiter of what can and cannot be called science, based purely upon religious dogma.

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Never heard of most of the religious right being against birth control. I think you are just wacked.

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The Morning-After Pill and Plan B are forms of emergency contraception, and the RR opposes both.

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There is opposition to RU-40 or whatever it is called for health reasons and the idea it kills after pregnancy.

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Abortion is legal in this country, so blocking RU-486 because it may "kill after pregnancy" is oppression.Those in the Religious Right have the power to block the release of this drug/procedure purely upon their own personal religious views.

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Religious right has blocked some research on ethical grounds. So has the non-religious Left. Nearly everyone believes some medical research is unethical. I suspect even you do. You just choose to demonize those that disagree with you.

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Of course I agree that some medical research, if conducted, would be unethical.However, I also disagree with hypocritical ethics.

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The Religious Right supports tax and spending cuts and so supports taking less of your tax dollars than what people like yourself wish to do.

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Irrelevant to the point I made.The Religious Right wants to, and has, taken my tax dollars and used them to indoctrinate people into their religion, and if they could, they would institute a school voucher system to take many more of my tax dollars and indoctrinate children into their religion.That is Unamerican and oppressive..

So basically your argument is that Christianity is more barbaric than Islam because it does not accept homosexuality?Is that it, shraf?How about pedophiles? Are you a bigot because you don't accept pedophilia? It's a serious question. I don't think anyone just ups and chooses to become a pedophile without some serious sexual predispositions (genetic?) in that area.I suspect basically your argument can be boiled down to you justifying your moral judgments but saying those that have a different morality than you are bigots, etc,...if they don't allow as totally moral, the behaviours you think are normal.Bottom line for me is that I think civil unions are a perfectly acceptable compromise and that the push for gay marriage instead of civil unions exposes the political motivations of the people behind it. What they really want is a moral statement from the State denigrating traditional morality in these areas and sanctioning their moral views.

Marriage IS a civil union. You seem to forget that the term is not limited any type of religion and no longer even to religion itself.A gay civil union IS a gay marriage. It's up to the the individuals to decide if they want the union blessed by a church. There are some churches that are more than happy to bless such unions.You talk as if your faith has some kind of monopoly on the term, when it is clear that it does not.Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.

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So basically your argument is that Christianity is more barbaric than Islam because it does not accept homosexuality?

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Is that it, shraf[sic]?

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No.My point was to show how Christianity, and in specific, the Radical Religious Right oppresses people, and I have shown that.It uses my tax money to indoctrinate people into their religion.It has presumed to decide for me and everyone else in the country what the definition of civil marriage is based upon their religious beliefs.It seeks to decide for me and everyone else in the country what is and isn't science based upon their religious beliefs.The RRR has blocked access to emergency contraception for no other reason than those in power to do so personally reject to it on religious grounds.Now, the reason I bring up these examples is to show that the RRR does, indeed, oppress people if they can; if they are in the position to do so, even though you claimed that nobody was being oppressed by them.

Definitions change.It used to be that marriage was between a man and his wives.In some rare societies, it is between a woman and her husbands.What is one more change?

No, they don't oppress people. They have different political views from you. What is unAmerican is for you to demonize legitimate political differences as oppression. The truth is the Left is far more "oppressive" under those standards. They propose taking more money from people via higher taxes, and this includes the poor as well as the rich (gas taxes and FICA). They propose all sorts of safety laws oppressing people.....heck, they even "oppress" children by demanding they wear helmets when biking.get the drift.....The RR is not oppressing anyone. They believe outlawing abortion is, for example, saving a life. So the motive is saving a life, not oppression. You see it as oppression, but all it is really is a political and values difference. You just want to denigrate the values of those you disagree with, and really seek to do exactly what you criticize the other side of doing.

Why is it then that they historically don't give a damn about that life the moment it leaves the birth canal. The greatest hypocricy from the RR is being pro-life and at the same time against programs for women's and children's health.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

That's just crap. My experiences with the RR is that this group of people cares more about people, and children, and has made more sacrificial steps to alleviate suffering than any other group of people.