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Author Topic:   Does radio-carbon dating disprove evolution?
crashfrog
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Message 19 of 308 (339239)
08-11-2006 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Hyroglyphx
08-11-2006 11:30 AM


Re: Thumbs down to radio carbon dating
There are a few problems associated with it. First, Libby himself stated that ascertaining an age estimate could be decieving because the earth's atmosphere had not yet reached equilibrium, not to mention how atomic testing in the mid 20th century could have potentialy compromised the integrity of any given specimen.
We have samples of the Earth's atmosphere for every year for the past 600,000 years. That's well, well beyond the effective dating range for radiocarbon dating. What that means is this - we have samples of the atmosphere with which to calibrate the "carbon scale" for every year for which radiocarbon dating can be used.
Aside from which, it is impossible to date anything past 50,000 years, yet, many evolutionists have tried to employ the C-14 method on saurian fossils, allegedly dating into millions of years.
No evolutionist has done this. The only people who try to get radiocarbon dates on these materials are creationists who are trying to fraudulently impeach the radiocarbon dating process.
I suggest that you improve your understanding of radiocarbon dating processes.

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crashfrog
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Message 29 of 308 (339482)
08-12-2006 2:37 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by johnfolton
08-11-2006 11:16 PM


Re: Cold Fusion
N14 needs a neutron to become C14 this is an example of fusion not fission.
It's not fusion. Fusion:
quote:
In physics, nuclear fusion is the process by which multiple nuclei join together to form a heavier nucleus.
One neutron is not a nucleus. Therefore the absorption of a neutron is not fusion. On the other hand, fission:
quote:
Nuclear fission - also known as atomic fission - is a process in nuclear physics in which the nucleus of an atom splits into two or more smaller nuclei as fission products, and usually some by-product particles.
A single proton is, by definition, a nucleus. (It's the nucleus of a hydrogen atom.) Therefore the process where an atom absorbs a thermal neutron and emits a proton is correctly described as fission, because the nucleus is splitting into two nuclei, one of which is the nucleus of a hydrogen atom (the proton.)

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crashfrog
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Message 32 of 308 (339515)
08-12-2006 10:29 AM
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08-12-2006 9:47 AM


Re: Cold Fusion
Not a single word of that is a relevant response.

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crashfrog
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Message 37 of 308 (339569)
08-12-2006 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by randman
08-12-2006 2:28 PM


Re: the usual idiocy from some evos
I've ready through every post in this thread and the only posts I would describe as "hysteric" have been yours.
Pretty typical randman response, though. Evolutionist enthusiasm for science is twisted around to prove creationism right; but creationist enthusiasm for the destruction of science is held as evidence of creationism.
Indeed, randman offers anything and everything in support of creationism, except actual scientific evidence. If randman gets a paper cut, that proves creationism. If he doesn't, that proves creationism. If an evolutionist disagrees with him, that proves creationism. If an evolutionist agrees with him on the most unrelated issue, that proves creationism too.
Nobody's fooled by you, randman. Absolutely nobody believes for an instant that you've ever bothered to honestly and objectively assess the issue.

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crashfrog
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Message 48 of 308 (339687)
08-12-2006 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by randman
08-12-2006 4:54 PM


Re: the usual idiocy from some evos
So bones are inorganic?
Fossil bones are, yeah. They've mineralized. They're essentially bone-shaped stones, at that point.

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crashfrog
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Message 51 of 308 (339876)
08-13-2006 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by johnfolton
08-13-2006 6:54 PM


Re: the usual idiocy from some evos
An astonishing discovery made over the past twenty years is that, almost without exception, when tested by highly sensitive accelerator mass spectrometer (AMS) methods, organic samples from every portion of the Phanerozoic record show detectable amounts of 14C! 14C/C ratios from all but the youngest Phanerozoic samples appear to be clustered in the range 0.1-0.5 pmc (percent modern carbon), regardless of geological ”age.’
I'm sorry, but Paul rebutted this already. Radiocarbon dating is only valid for organisms whose main source of carbon is atmospheric, not marine.
The Phanerozoic record is almost entirely marine organisms. Thus, no conclusions can be drawn from radiocarbon tests performed on them. The data is junk data that supports no conclusions whatsoever.
Also - my guess is that any C14 reading that supports a date around 250,000 ya as they suggest isn't actually a reading at all - it's a ghost peak in the mass spectrometer. There's a reason that the maximum practical age limit for radiocarbon dating is 50k years; that's because C14 levels below that amount can't be reliably detected by any instrument. Thus, a claim that the instrument is detecting them at an age beyond 50 kya is obviously unsupported.

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crashfrog
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Message 57 of 308 (339906)
08-14-2006 12:24 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by johnfolton
08-13-2006 10:14 PM


Re: the usual idiocy from some evos
I'm sure the creationists would agree with you, but they never said they dated these fossils to be 250,000 years. They were just making a point that the fossils at the very least are younger than 250,000 years because detectable C14 remained.
Right, and what I'm saying is that "250,000" isn't a number you could concievably get with radiocarbon dating at all, which tells me that they're just making up numbers.
The tests are valid on marine fossils
No, they're not. They're meaningless.
Its just science confirming that the Phanerozoic fossils are not millions of years old and that the earth is a young earth.
No, it's not. Science abundantly disproves the young earth position. The vast weight of evidence is that the Earth is 4 gyo. The data you refer to is fundamentally flawed, and exists only because creationists have chosen to misrepresent the science and try to fool the gullible with invalid results from an invalid test scenario.

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crashfrog
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Message 89 of 308 (340235)
08-15-2006 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by PurpleYouko
08-15-2006 9:15 AM


Re: the usual idiocy from some evos
I don't have a ready source of information to reference. I'm just basing my information on what I have picked up over the last 6 years working at a research reactor.
OMG you work at the reactor! That's awesome, we're practically neighbors. I work at the Rollins Bottoms experiment station back behind the reactor sometimes. Down past the golf course.

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