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crashfrog
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From: Silver Spring, MD
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Message 286 of 300 (374744)
01-05-2007 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by New Cat's Eye
01-05-2007 2:50 PM


Of course you're not required to but sometimes it is a good idea.
Maybe. But paying the rent and buying groceries for your daughter are also good ideas, and while know-nothing economists might disagree, not everybody has a lot of choices in the job market.
Anyway, let's turn it around on its head. Everybody knows that rich, white Ivy League frat boys are loaded with cash and aren't too bright. Getting extorted by fake rape charges and lawsuits are part of the risk of their lifestyle. Shouldn't they take some responsibility for their actions (i.e. hiring strippers who later make potentially false claims of rape to extort money)?
Or is taking responsibility something that only women are supposed to do?
It is a risk that strippers accept when they take a job.
Is it? You have her signature on a waiver that says "you might get raped"?
I don't understand what you mean by "accept the risk". Aren't you "accepting the risk" of all kinds of bad stuff simply by leaving your home?
But you do leave your home, right? If you get hit by a car in the supermarket parking lot, didn't you "accept the risk"? So you have no right to complain, or even file an insurance claim against the driver?
Or even recieve medical treatment? I'm just curious how far "accepting the risk" goes, since it only ever seems to be something women are required to do.

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 288 of 300 (374752)
01-05-2007 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by New Cat's Eye
01-05-2007 3:18 PM


Why does accepting a risk mean, to you, that one exempts themself from the consequences?
I don't know what it means, but that's how it's used - on waivers, for instance, where "accepting the risk" means that even if it's someone else's fault, you have no legal recourse.
But it really comes up in discussions of rape, like this one, where the slightest indication that the victim might be somebody interested in recreation (or, indeed, doing anything at all besides sitting at home with a hajib on) is used to dismiss any responsibility that the rapist should be expected to take. And when it's not happening here with people like you, it's happening on the cover of newspapers, or on TV, or basically anywhere, because the spotless reputation of unknown rapists is apparently always a priority over their victims.
I mean, look. It's obvious that the risk of rape is ever-present, especially for women. And generally, a woman doesn't have to do anything to be at risk. Plenty of rapists are perfectly willing to break into your house to rape you. Obviously anything a woman chooses to do to ameliorate that risk is a good idea.
But if there's something a woman didn't do, that doesn't excuse the rape. A woman has every right to do nothing at all to prevent rape, if she wants, and that doesn't make the rape her responsibility. It's always the sole responsibility of the rapist. And sometimes we have little choice about what we do or the situations we're in. And, for god's sake, being raped is bad enough on it's own without every single person second-guessing every little thing you did and blaming you for not seeing the future.
Truly our society's dripping contempt for rape victims mystifies me, since known rapists are typically so vilified, but it's obvious in every form of media.
How's that going for you? New job, or something? You and the wife both happy about it?
Thank you for asking. Actually my wife has started work on her Ph.D. in entomology here at Big Red, and I'm trying to figure out how to get back into school, myself. We're both pretty happy about it; Lincoln treats us well (as long as we don't try to drive anywhere, it's impossible to navigate in this town) and our new apartment is a big upgrade from our old digs in Columbia.
I hope St. Louis is treating you well.
Edited by crashfrog, : No reason given.

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
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Message 290 of 300 (374877)
01-06-2007 2:16 AM
Reply to: Message 289 by 2ice_baked_taters
01-05-2007 9:19 PM


Nothing you've said addresses my argument, though. And you still haven't explained exactly what you mean by "taking responsibility."
What responsibility does a person engaged in completely legal behaviors have in regards to completely illegal behaviors perpetrated against them?
Answer the question.

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 297 of 300 (375004)
01-06-2007 6:58 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by Rob
01-06-2007 1:31 PM


Don't get all disjointed Justin, I didn't make a moral equivolent in terms of degree, only in kind.
It's "Crashfrog", please, or "Crash."
Does any of that address my argument? I don't see where.

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