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Son Goku
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Message 28 of 300 (367141)
11-30-2006 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by arachnophilia
11-30-2006 4:08 AM


Maybe I'm reading you wrong...
crashfrog writes:
I think physics, chemistry, and mathematics are "fake" sciences in that they do not study the natural world, but rather, study simplified mathematical models about it.
arachnophilia writes:
or rather, religions. mathematicians readily admit it's a religious idea, based on the faith in their initial axioms.
Physics, Chemistry and Mathematics are fake sciences?
And possibly religious?
May I ask why and what exempts biology from this?
I know you explained this to me before crashfrog, but the discussion got kind of cut off half way.
Edited by Son Goku, : No reason given.

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Son Goku
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Message 32 of 300 (367157)
11-30-2006 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by arachnophilia
11-30-2006 4:26 PM


Re: Maybe I'm reading you wrong...
That's just a restatement of what was just said. In what sense does biology study the real world and not theoretical models above physics and chemistry? (I'll leave maths out)
It's chemistry in particular I don't understand. Surely it models the real world in the same sense as biology. Chemistry, physics and biology are all carried out in a different manner to one another and this leads to these kind of inter-subject criticisms. Physicists often say that Biology and Chemistry are just stamp collecting and Chemists often say Biology and Physics are both too acedemic and "Hey, let's test this idea"-based. Biologists often say crashfrog's comment above.
However I've obviously managed to get an explanation out of Physicists for their comment and I've had enough contact with Chemists to get them to explain their view. Unfortunatly I don't get to talk to biologists much, so I'd like to hear more about this, if you don't mind.

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Son Goku
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Message 103 of 300 (367644)
12-04-2006 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by crashfrog
12-04-2006 8:56 AM


Re: What is a science?
That in which there are no such things as "points" and "planes" and "parallel lines" and "frictionless pulleys" and "nonelastic ropes" and billiard tables where all the balls are completely spherical, and all the other inventions of mathematics that physicists seem to rely on so dearly, to the exclusion of how pulleys and ropes and billiard tables actually work in real life.
That's just first year undergrad mechanics though, which contains problems that a student can solve in a reasonable length of time. Real world pulleys can be done easily, they just don't give any extra insight into anything, though they are extra work, which is why they aren't given to students. Same with the rest of you examples, they're simplifications made for course work, not actual simplifications made in working physics.

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