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RickJB Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
Schraf writes: More than 50% of young men would violently rape a woman if they could be assured of getting away with it. Phew. Now that's a strong one, Schraf. I assume you base this on instinctive reproductive/territorial urges? Or do you just have a low opinion of young men? Edited by RickJB, : No reason given. Edited by RickJB, : No reason given. Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
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RickJB Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
Crashfrog writes: Or at least they say they would. I can't think of any reason they would lie about that. Have women been given some kind of equivalent test?
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RickJB Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
Perhaps it should be 50% of American FRAT-BOYS would violently rape a woman if they thought they'd get away with it?
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RickJB Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
CrashFrog writes: More than likely, you're capable of it yourself. Yeah, yeah so I'm a rapist at heart. I'm SO glad you have made me aware of that. How's about I assume that you are capable of crying rape on an innocent man because you're a tease with a victim-complex? Does that sound fair? One thing I DO know is that my answer to the question as to whether I would commit rape if I thought I could get away with it would be an emphatic NO! Edited by RickJB, : No reason given. Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
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RickJB Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
Crashfrog writes: ... are you aware that I'm male? For all I know, that need not stop you. Seriously though, I'm am fully aware as to how rape can be committed by "normal" men. I find the results of this survey disturbing.
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RickJB Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
Schraf writes: Good. It's supposed to make you feel disturbed. I would, however, question the extent to which the interviewees felt encouraged to vocalise their own fantasies. After all, one hallmark of any fantasy is that there is no consequence to any type of action. When it comes to sex, both both man and women can harbour violent fantasies as the existence of practices such as S&M and Bondage clearly testify. Humans, being social creatures, are rarely able to act without consequence. Indeed, consequnce is what shapes our external behaviors. When one takes away consequence of any kind it seems to me that anything is possible, no matter what sex the person in question is.
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RickJB Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
The questions and scenarios in the studies were not depictions of fantasy play, but depictions of real, violent crimes. Perhaps, but any scenario that entirely does away with any possibility of consequence is reaching for the limits of reality.
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RickJB Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
Crash writes: Few people commit crimes when they think they're going to get caught. The scenario of "you are sure you could get away with it" isn't unrealistic; that's a position that a lot of people, often incorrectly, see themselves as being in. Fair point. I suppose I could also argue against my own comments by highlighting the fact that some crimes are committed in the midst of a blind rage as opposed to being fully premeditated (this is not proposed as any sort of justification, by the way). In such a case consequences never even enter the picture. Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
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RickJB Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
Schraf writes: Just what do you think it is like for a female to grow up and live in America? That's quite a list. Which part of the US are you from?
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RickJB Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
Crash writes: Would I assume he was capable of rape? Why not? Do you assume that you yourself are capable of rape? You possibly do. So if you were on a first date with a girl, would you therefore advise her to assume that you are capable of rape? I think not. It's perfectly right for someone to be on their guard against potential danger, but all-out assumption can be a double-edged sword. Edited by RickJB, : No reason given. Edited by RickJB, : No reason given. Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
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RickJB Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
Crash, returning to the first part of my question:
Do you regard yourself as being capable of rape?
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RickJB Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
Schraf writes: Just want you to know that I'm grateful that I'm not alone in this thread. I get the feeling that I and others are subtly being labelled by yourself as some cruel and misunderstanding "other". Am I or am I not allowed to respectfully question your positions without being judged as an apologist for rape? Edited by RickJB, : No reason given. Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
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RickJB Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
Crash writes: I used to write letters to the editor of my campus newspaper, decrying imagined slights to "manhood" and the "good names" of men in general who it had been "unfairly insinuated" might be rapists, or might be capable of rape. In other words I was a lot like these guys, here. But I got over it eventually, I guess, by being confronted with my sexism a couple of times. So now I try to pass it on, for whatever it's worth. Now this makes me laugh! Crash, everyone knows that the "platonic and understanding best friend act" is the oldest charm trick in the book! Edited by RickJB, : No reason given. Edited by RickJB, : No reason given. Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
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RickJB Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
Women favor using social mechanisms--words, alliances, stigmatizing, ostracism--to deliver their beatings. Nobody ever died from losing a friend. Except the ones who committed/attempted suicide? Many girls suffer years of systematic gossiping at school. My own sister was haunted by it. It's a common problem.
And your boldly inaccurate statements and sweeping generalizations of differing gender trends - "nature made women to be gossips" - are hamfisted and ridiculous, and I notice that you supply absolutely no evidence to suggest that these are anything but society's stereotypes for how the sexes are "supposed" to be. Ah hem. Stop School Bullying: Topics of Interest--Bullying Among Girls Do please get off your politically-correct high-horse! If you have a daughter/sister just ask them about girls and bullying - this ain't no mystery. Edited by RickJB, : No reason given. Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
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RickJB Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
It's just that I can tell that Crashfrog "gets it". He gets it like other women "get it". But this is what confuses me somewhat. I fully accept that all men are potentially capable of rape. However I also know that all people, if pushed, are capable of murder. Crash feels that my "male pride" has been dented somehow. Quite the contrary. I simply question the idea that I must see myself and my friends as a potential rapist. After all, would we ask all black kids in rough neighbourhoods to identify themselves as a potential gang members? I think not. The result of these studies should be use positively in education, not negatively as a labelling device to divide groups. Oh, and it seems to me that the only thing Crash "gets" is to how make self-serving statements about how lacking in sexist attitudes he is as compared to the rest of us cavemen.....
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