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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 255 of 300 (370880)
12-19-2006 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by crashfrog
12-14-2006 12:21 AM


I think that the empathy we should feel for a victim is proportional to the severity of the offense against them, and that's basically the only relevant factor.
Correct. The empathy we experience is partly proprtional to what our subjective perception of severe is. It is also dependant upon our personal perception of any degree of culpability a "victim" may have.
Small example. Some percieve that the rape of a male over the age of 18 is not as palpable as the rape of an adult female. "men can take care of or, are responsible for, themselves " The percieved gender desparity.
Some adults believe that adolescent people as young as 9-12 years of age are perfectly capable of making sound decissions concerning sexual activity and do not see coercion as any kind of misjudgement where a legal adult engadges an adolencent for the purpose of sex. They see the child as culpable in thier own decission.
Some people percieve certain college lacross team members as victims and so feel empathy for them.
Others percieve them as evil abusive people and feel emapthy soley for
the alleged victim.
Still others like myself see extremely ignorant men who feel the world owes them a "good time". I also see an ignorant woman who chose to engage in questionable activity in exchange for monetary gain. I feel empathy not for her alleged rape but for her extreme lack of judgement. Her incomprehension of the reality of her choices. I feel some empathy or sadness for all in thier incmprehension of what hardship they may cause themselves and or others until they learn "if they learn".
Many varied sitations with many varied perceptions of each exist.

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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 257 of 300 (372833)
12-29-2006 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by crashfrog
12-19-2006 2:02 PM


Why do you describe her entirely legal and legitimate profession as "questionable"? What's any more questionable about her line of work than any other kind of performance?
The kind of trouble everyone understands it invites.
What "reality" are you referring to?
The same one we all live in as eluded to above.

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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 268 of 300 (374001)
01-03-2007 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by nator
01-02-2007 10:47 PM


Edited by 2ice_baked_taters, : Double stamped that one

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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 269 of 300 (374002)
01-03-2007 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by nator
01-02-2007 10:47 PM


It's like the fact that a cashier or a bank teller "invites" getting robbed at gunpoint while at work.
They should know better than to take a job like that.
No it is more accurate an annology to have sympathy for the mountain climber who dies.
Or the race car driver.
Of course it is more convenient to not take responsability for the risks of ones one choices.
I love this because you are very keen to be a champion of abortion and defend the fact that people will have sex and that is just the way it is yet you wish to deny another fact of human behaviour that males have and always will exhibit. This will not change. Therefore when you play with fire....oh well.
Tell me you would walk into Cabrini green in chicago on a hot full moon summer night dressed as a dancer and I might take you seriously.
lol......as a fool lmao

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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 270 of 300 (374004)
01-03-2007 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by nator
01-03-2007 7:49 AM


Sheesh, it sure took you long enough to come around to realizing the truth, but it's good that you've finally seen the light.
Lmao....K, I have many places for you to come and dance. You will love it! It is a wonderful and wise/perfectly legal and legitimate occupation and I am sure if you champion that view all involved will see the truth of it and admire and respect you.
I am rolling on the floor in fits of laughter!
And of course if something "oh my" unfortunate happend to you all who viewed the situation would commend you on your good judgement.
By the way....a bank teller has security cameras in public with alarms and a host of other safety measures.
Oy that was too easy.

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2ice_baked_taters
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From: Boulder Junction WI.
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Message 274 of 300 (374284)
01-03-2007 11:41 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by nator
01-03-2007 2:02 PM


Ah, yes, the "boys will be boys" defense.
This further shows your bias.
There is not one point in any of my responses where I defend the actions
of people responsible for rape. You continue to assume all rapists are men.
When you encourage your daughter or son to meet strangers to strip for money without the surveylance cameras in public I may listen, however what I will here are the professions of a fool.
Now please continue and hawk all the wise merits of such behavior. I am listening.
Edited by 2ice_baked_taters, : No reason given.

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2ice_baked_taters
Member (Idle past 5881 days)
Posts: 566
From: Boulder Junction WI.
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Message 275 of 300 (374286)
01-03-2007 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by crashfrog
01-03-2007 2:16 PM


Since it's possible - easy, in fact - for men not to rape women, I don't see any reason to give men a pass for raping women, as you seem ready to do. Why is that?
lol. That is your issue. You have quite the tunnel vision. Where have I condoned such behaviour? It is you who are fixated upon it.
I have simply said all are responsible for their actions.
I have pointed out behavior that is exhibited world wide and has been through out human history and will continue to be so. If you wish to encourage your daughter,girl friend, wife, or son to go to strange places and dance for strangers I may listen as your bull I would then consider at least genuine. However I would still consider it the rantings of a fool.

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2ice_baked_taters
Member (Idle past 5881 days)
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From: Boulder Junction WI.
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Message 283 of 300 (374731)
01-05-2007 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by crashfrog
01-04-2007 7:08 PM


You don't seem interested in telling me. Why is that?
What does legallity have to do with it? Those who take risks are responsible for the risks they take. The occupation has a high risk factor with no plan for protection.
Take a job in Chicago as a convenience store clerk near Cabrini Green....I dare you.
For that matter Go there and holler NIGGER! at the top of your lunges wearing a white hood. It is a completely legal right of free speech protected by the constitution. Be sure to remind all within earshot of this. Of course the legallity and constitutional support you wield defines the wisdom of your decision to excercise your right. Everyone would see the wisdom of your choice of action.
Now get out there and show us how it's done.

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2ice_baked_taters
Member (Idle past 5881 days)
Posts: 566
From: Boulder Junction WI.
Joined: 02-16-2006


Message 289 of 300 (374836)
01-05-2007 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 284 by crashfrog
01-05-2007 2:22 PM


If men have free will, then there's no risk of rape; there's merely the possibility that a man will chose to try to rape you. His choices are his responsibilities. You're not required to avoid completely legal behaviors simply because someone else might make a bad choice.
I would like you to repeat after me:
I will support and encourage my wife/son/daughter/girlfriend to pursue a legal career as a stripper for hire. I will encourage thier attending to business at private drunken parties alone with no means of protection. It is a great way to meet people. It is a wonderful career oprtunity to add to ones job portfolio. A wise career choice I would recomend to anyone. Come on...you can do it.
Are you saying that convinience store robberies shouldn't be prosecuted in Cabrini Green?
Vicinity, and I said no such thing.
Tell me - have you ever shopped at a convineience store? Doesn't that make you kind of a hypocrite that you've benefited directly from the services of a kind of job you don't think is moral?
Exactly what do morals have to do with this?
Where have I made a moral judgemnt?
So are you ready to wear your white hood yet? It's legal you know.
Don't forget to hawk the strip services of your: self,wife,daughter or son while you are at it. perhaps you will drum up business.

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