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Author Topic:   Adam was created on the 3rd day
highskies
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Message 98 of 233 (397293)
04-25-2007 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by graft2vine
04-25-2007 11:08 AM


Hi. I'm new here, but I've been reading in these forums, so I decided
to join.
I've been reading what you've been saying, and you are so close to the truth, except you can't put man as being created on the 3rd day. It absolutely does not line up with scriptures. It won't work no matter how hard you try.
notice in Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:.
Now look at Gen 2:5 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
This is when God made man in Gen 1:26
Now notice in Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them
Now look at Gen 2:21-24 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
This is when Gen 1:27 takes place in Gen Ch 2.
I agree with you that there are no contradictions between Gen ch 1 and Gen ch2, but only if interpreted correctly. As per context, we have to discern when the author is speaking in the present, past or future tense. An example would be when we start reading Gen ch 2. It appears that God forms the man then plants a garden. But is this really what the author is saying? If we know that God created man last, on the 6th day, then the only logical conclusion can be that God planted the garden before he formed man. The same way with the animals in ch 2. We already know from ch 1 that God created the animals before man, so in Gen ch 2, it's just a matter of once again discerning from prior evidence(gen ch 1), when the author is speaking in past, present, or future tense according to the context.

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highskies
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Message 108 of 233 (397532)
04-26-2007 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by graft2vine
04-25-2007 9:30 PM


Re: tenses
Hi, graft2vine.
Thanks for the link. It had some good pointers.
But, I believe you fail to see the point I was trying to make.
There are only 2 obvious conclusions that most of us can come to regarding Gen 1 and Gen 2. Either Gen 2 takes place in Gen 1, or Gen 2 is an entirely new creation that takes place after God rests on the 7th day.
Since you say man was made on the 3rd day, I assume that you are taking the view that Gen 2 happens in Gen 1.
So if this is the case, we have to use Gen 1 to establish an order of events, then using Gen 2, put everything in the correct order as to fit the order of events in Gen 1. And this is what I mean by present, past and future tense.
OTOH, if we wanted to take the view that Gen 2 was a new creation apart from Gen 1, then there would be no problem determining what is taking place and when. Since we're trying to fit Gen 2 into the order of events of Gen 1, then we have to determine the order of events in Gen 1 first.
Let me give you a real quick rundown of something I see regarding Gen 1 and Gen 2.
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Ok, what do we see in these 2 verses? Here's what I see. I see one man being made which God forms from the dust of the earth according to Gen 2:7.
I see God giving man dominion over all the animals over all the earth.
Then I see God making the woman out of the man(male and female created he them.)
Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air( these were formed before man); and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field;(why was Adam naming animals besides looking for a help meet? Because God gave him(meaning mankind) dominion over them) but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
And now we see that God blesses them and tells them to be fruitfull and multiply, because man is now male and female and can procreate.
Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made
Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
And now we can start to see why the serpent is more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.
The serpent wants to have dominion over man, yet God gave man the dominion over the serpent. And so the story continues
Edited by highskies, : No reason given.

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highskies
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Message 117 of 233 (397956)
04-28-2007 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by ringo
04-28-2007 11:17 AM


Re: Adam was created on the 6th Day
It sounds like He created them mature - already yelding seeds and fruit. Certainly, there is no
possibility that they were just seeds in the ground.
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I fully agree. Since it's obvious that God formed man in a mature state and it's pretty safe to assume
that God formed the animals in a mature state also, it would then make no sense for God to put these
into an immature enviroment
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