Hi caldron68,
caldron68 writes:
"You can enter God's Kingdom
Please explain to me what God's Kingdom is and why you come to that conclusion.
caldron68 writes:
NLT (New Living Testament) Matt 7:13 "You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell [fn] is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose the easy way.
Plainly contains the word hell. I suspect that now you're going to tell me that the NLT is the work of Satan and that I am wrong again.
I could care less what the perversion of the Bible you are quoting says. It is not in the original Greek text.
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Greek words translated hell in Matthew chapters 5, and 11.
grave Matthew 11:23.
gehenna Matthew 5:29.
I find neither one in verse 13 or 14.
The Greek word translated heaven in Matthew 7:11 is .
I do not find heaven in verse 13 or 14 either.
The Greek word translated kingdom in Matthew 7:21 is ‘.
I don't find it in verse 13 or 14 either.
The Greek word definition, a perishing, ruin, destruction, translated destruction in verse 13 is bolded.
In Matthew 6:25 the Greek word , definition, the vital force which animates the body and shows itself in breathing, is translated life. It is not found in either verse 13 or 14.
In Matthew 7:14 the Greek word , definition, the absolute fulness of life, both essential and ethical, which belongs to God, is bolded.
Conclusions:
Jesus is speaking to His disciples.
He is speaking about it being very hard to have that kind of life.
He tells them it is easy to not have that kind of life.
He is not talking about hell as He surely knew the word for it.
Neither is He talking about heaven as He surely knew the word for it.
We know that Matthew that recorded the words for hell and heaven knew the proper Greek words as he had used them as referenced above.
So Matthew did not want to say broad is the way that leads to hell or he would have used to declare he was talking about hell instead of something being ruined or destroyed.
He was not talking about the way being narrow to heaven or he would have used the word to declare he was talking about heaven rather than a dedicated life.
Your argument that Jesus is talking about heaven and hell fails.
Your assertion has been rebutted from the scripture.
caldron68 writes:
How about you share your sources for your data.
My original numbers was from my discussion some 18 months ago. So I checked the main source and found they had revised their numbers. Instead of 46 million it had been reduced to 42 million for 2003. I can find nothing later than those except guesses.
Worldwide 42 million legal abortions a year.
That comes to 115,000 per day.
That comes to 4791.6666666666666666666666666667 per hour.
That comes to 79.861111111111111111111111111111 per minute.
We have 2.5694444444444444444444444444444 per minute in America alone.
These are legal documented abortions.
Source
The miscarriage rate is slightly higher than the abortion rate but we won't even consider that number because it is not needed to give us more in heaven than in Hell.
caldron68 writes:
Because this is what you demand from everybody else. Evidently you do not need to defend yourself by using Scripture, you have the false work of others to support your claims, right?
As far as the number in heaven.
Revelaiton 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Does that sound like your few?
If you can't number them, how many are there in heaven?
caldron68 writes:
Nope. Destruction generally does mean utter destruction. The point is, and I am backed up on this by the NAT, that Jesus was clearly talking about the road to hell.
I have no idea who the NAT is. I think you miss typed and mean NLT being the New Living Testament
Concerning the translation of the NLT.
On the other hand, the NLT translators rendered the message more dynamically when the literal rendering was hard to understand, was misleading, or yielded archaic or foreign wording. They clarified difficult metaphors and terms to aid in the reader's understanding.
Source
In other words they decided what was best for you to understand the Bible was saying according to their belief of what it was saying.
caldron68 writes:
ICANT writes:
Do you refute that there are 30 children under the age of 6 that starve to death every minute?
Do you refute that the death rate is 104.666 per minute?
Show me where you got your data and I will agree, otherwise I will assume that you are embellishing your data, just like you did for the number of abortions per minute.
This site has a neat little counter you can watch. 107 per minute.
This chartshows a death rate of 107 per minute of which 13 are infants.
This sitegives us 15 million children deaths from starvation.
That gives us 28.538812785388127853881278538813 per minute.
So revised numbers.
Abortions 79.861111111111111111111111111111 per minute.
Starvation, 28.538812785388127853881278538813 per minute.
Infants from chart 13.
That gives a total to God of 121 per minute.
Devil possibly 107 - 28.5 +13 = 65.5 per minute if none of the 65.5 are born again.
caldron68 writes:
ICANT writes:
Do you refute that the Greek word translated life in Matthew 7:14 means abundant life?
Not at all. But he is also providing us with the knowledge of how to get through the narrow gate into the Kindom of God (Heaven).
Where is the Kingdom of God or heaven mentioned in Matthew 7:13, 14?
You do know the Kingdom of God and heaven are two different things don't you.
caldron68 writes:
Nope. I have provided the refutations that you have asked for.
You have provided nothing of substance and have refuted nothing.
I still say God loves us as reported by John:
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
He loved us and gave us an opportunity to trust Him for eternal life.
Which He forces no one to accept.
God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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