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ochaye Member (Idle past 5268 days) Posts: 307 Joined: |
quote:Where is this claim? quote:You do? Roman Catholics call themselves Christians, do you think they do rightly? quote:Why would anyone need to guess?
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3672 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
You do? Yes, I do. Now, please back up your assertion that there are no creationist evangelicals, or withdraw it.
Roman Catholics call themselves Christians, do you think they do rightly? Yes, they are part of the worldwide Christian faith, and are known as Christians. What has this to do with your claim that there are no creationist evangelicals. Evangelicals are, for the main, few and far between in the Catholic church.
Why would anyone need to guess? Exactly. They shouldn't. *YOU* should be providing your reasons. ABE: I should add that during my 26 year stint as an evangelical (non-creationist) Christian, I would make the claim that most Catholics are not Christian, for the usual evangelical reasons... Edited by cavediver, : No reason given. Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.
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ochaye Member (Idle past 5268 days) Posts: 307 Joined: |
quote:Can you prove it? quote:When you have answered the questions I have asked you. If necessary. quote:My point precisely! Nobody asked me to prove it, because they all knew it was true, and why!
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
Ochave, you have been asked politely to debate in an intellectually honest fashion. You have also been asked to stop wasting people's time with what you think are funny one-liners.
I had a look over your posts and, almost completely, you are not really debating but rather something more like baiting. You can start staying on topic, honestly answering replies made to you and explain your reasoning rather than just asserting things or you can start taking breaks from being able to post at all.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3672 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
You are the one claiming that these various Christians mentioned are not in fact Christian. Where is this claim? quote: And given your idocy regarding a lack of creationist evangelicals, I'm assuming you fall into this group who tells lies, and hence cannot be Christian? Or are you just confused?
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Why do they feel that? Because they feel that those people are terrorizing their own children by telling them spook stories that will never actually happen -- tales of the torments of hell, or tales of being "left behind" in a post-apocalyptic world where the government will kill you if you accept the Mark of the Beast, yet you'll starve or dehydrate to death without it, or tales of being hunted down and slaughterd for being a post-rapture Christian. Eternal torment, massacre, starvation, or dehydration. Those are their options. You know, shit like that... I see legitimate arguments on both sides of the table. On the one hand we have a freedom of religion, that in most cases I think should be left alone for people and their families to decide, not the government. On the other hannd there are some pretty sick cases of parents indoctrinating their children to do or believe in some bizarre things that end up hurting or even killing their own children (Christian Science = blood transfusions are bad). The problem as I see it is that "indoctrination" is subjective and is far from being clear cut. Because what one side calls indoctrination, another side calls instruction. One side teaches about the dangers of atheism, the other teaches about the dangers of theism. Both claim to have truth on their side, so who is indoctrinating and who is instructing? Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given. "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." - Samual Adams
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3672 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
You have claimed that there is no such thing as an evangelical creationist.
Please back up this claim, or retract it.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3672 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
My point precisely! Nobody asked me to prove it, because they all knew it was true, and why! So you are also claiming that most of the readership will agree with you that there are no creationist evangelicals? What would you call the congregation of, say, Hillsong? Or, say, Vineyard. Or most Southern Baptists I have ever met?
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ochaye Member (Idle past 5268 days) Posts: 307 Joined: |
quote:But not by me.
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ochaye Member (Idle past 5268 days) Posts: 307 Joined: |
quote:That's twisting words, poster. I asked about rapture, and people don't get terrorized by the concept of rapture. They may be disappointed, but that's another matter. And of course no-one can prove that there will not be a rapture, or something of the sort.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Let's grow up, eh? Don't try to rescue other posters, Percy, you started an aggressive thread, you sowed the wind, and you don't like the consequences. Ochave, tone it down a little. Percy is not just any poster. He happens to be the only reason we're all here discussing any of this. His request was not outrageous, but even if you feel like it is, polite, tactful, and courteous usually wins people over. "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." - Samual Adams
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
That's twisting words, poster. I asked about rapture, and people don't get terrorized by the concept of rapture. They may be disappointed, but that's another matter. Some people do feel terrorized by the whole thing. Some people feel that kids should not be exposed to spiritual terror, terrified that they might miss the rapture. You read what Percy quoted I assume? That kid sounded consummed by what some people consider an irrational fear. That's the nature of debate. Make your points, they'll make theirs, and then make counter-points.
And of course no-one can prove that there will not be a rapture, or something of the sort. And you can't prove there will be, what's your point? "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." - Samual Adams
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ochaye Member (Idle past 5268 days) Posts: 307 Joined: |
quote:But should we be discussing it at all? It looks slanderous, to me, and its worse because there is not a scrap of evidence offered, and no identification of who it is wants to scare people with hell. Percy has been asked to provide evidence, but he has ignored that request, and now, it appears, looks to suffocate legitimate questions. It's a disgrace to skepticism/atheism, if you did but realise it. Atheism will never be taken seriously like this. Edited by ochaye, : No reason given.
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ochaye Member (Idle past 5268 days) Posts: 307 Joined: |
quote:Then write 'the whole thing', not 'rapture'. quote:I haven't said that there will be. Do read what people actually write, not what you imagine they write, or what you want them to write. All of you. Long way to go. Edited by ochaye, : No reason given.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Then I suggest you plead your case in the Suggestions and Questions forum, as here is probably not the best place to converse like this.
"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." - Samual Adams
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