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It's been hijacked with the #TRUTH. Let's get serious guys, we're talking free healthcare here.- Oni

Hey look, I recognize we're a weak species. My solution, while very effective, is not going to happen overnight. I'm combating YEARS of shitty living, from the crappy TV dinners of the 50's and 60's when women took to the work force (another issue), to todays fast food addiction.I'm trying to change the world, not just alleviate our wallets of a few dollars. Granted, my solution would alleviate our wallets of a few dollars too. Under the healthcare plan I'm suggesting, there would be no Stephen Hawking to worry about. Those who are in great physical shape with zero trace of disease or infection. Keep these people alive, and in a few generations you'll see a better species. Your health, and that of other members here, is not a joke.- Oni

Yes. Yes. A healthier you that doesn't need government aid. The less you take care of yourself, the more you'll need healthcare and that IS what has cause the downfall of our medical/insurance industries.A healthier American would need less heathcare. Period. We probably should have a system in place to check who should and shouldn't be procreating, to avoid the "the species only need be good enough to produce me" opinion.The species NEEDS to produce a BETTER you.- Oni

I'm focusing on these two points from your OP:

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* That the present system of healthcare in the USA is neither capitalism nor socialism, but an evil hybrid producing the worst of both worlds.

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* That it is undeniably best that the USA should have public healthcare.

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I believe it is an evil hybrid producing the worst of both worlds, and I've given great suggestions as to how to alleviate the problem. Low carb diet, exercise, healthy living, reduces our individual need for the healthcare system. That way we take the power away from insurance companies, big pharm and the rest of the capitalist assholes, and also, remove the need for socialized medicine.If every American looked inward and focused on how they can help themselves, instead of looking at the government to solve things, we'd be much better off.Some other posters have tried to derail the topic with jokes and anecdotes, but I've tried my best to bring it back on track.- Oni

We can start by putting down the Burger King that's been freshly DELIVERED to peoples homes. All of it really, McDs, Pizza Hut, KFC and Popeyes for black people, Taco Bell, etc...it's basically the LEGAL sale of cyanide wrapped in a fancy wrapper that comes with a Transformer cup for our kids.You want free healthcare? Put the fucking burger down, Mc Fatso! Lets not forget weak DNA and, with the case of Magic, it goes back to unhealthy living. He got HIV from having unprotected sex with a hooker, while he was MARRIED. Tisk tisk. It's natures cure to wreckless sexual activity. I'd much rather you'd be out there getting a nice jog in or bike ride in, I would hate for you to get AIDS from that show. Can you blame them? Having to give some fat fuck diabetes meds and you see him/her come in for check ups with ketchups stains on their clothes and Big Mac breath? I'd lose the will to want to treat people too if I had to watch some guy eat himself to death while begging me for medicine. Take your ass to the gym blimpy!- Oni

I believe I am. Like I said, let them die. What do you do when an ape is sick or a dolphin? It just dies. But not us, we flood the world with the sick and weak then bitch about more healthcare. We can stand to do with a bit of natural selection if you know what I mean.How can we bitch about healthcare when we provide no personal care for our own health? People DON'T CARE ABOUT HEALTH, they just want free shit! If there was ANY concern for healthcare in America from Dems or Rep there would be a constant flow of demands to shut down fast food places. We souldn't be occupying Wall Street, we should be occupying Mc Donalds and BK.Plenty have engaged in this debate with me, and as you can see I have decimated their arguments and stiffled them. - Oni

No, of course not. But they do at least deserve crabs, right? A good case of the crotch itch should straighten people out.- OniEdited by onifre, : No reason given.

The first part of your post is just you lashing out with ad hominems.The second part requires you to be an admin, and since you're not, I'll ignore it.- Oni

We'll see. You miss understand. I wouldn't deny anyone anything. Free healthcare should be for Americans who value their health, not for the slobs that frequent the fast food places and gorge on garbage. If someone like that needs medical attention, pay for it out of your own pocket! Why should people like that get to be a burden on the state/government?Why should those people be allowed to increase MY health plan when I'm fit, healthy, eat low carb, and exercies often if not all the time, mostly? Come on, I'm talking natural selection not forced selection. Yes. And I paid for it. Also, I limit getting medical attention and save it ONLY for extreme situations since I intend to pay for the service. Why should the government provide me with FREE healthcare for that? I'm speaking hypothetically of course since I WOULD qualify since, I workout.- Oni

Hey if I was trying to be funny you would know, fatty. It would blow your fucking mind. Highbrow mostly Like high, highbrow stuff. Over your head kind of shit. Kaufman-like. You probably wouldn't get it. I thought I did. If you're over wiehgt and you fell down that's your fault. Even if you're old you should be exercising so don't give me that excuse. Jack LaLanne ring a bell? You think that guy needed health insurance? Probably, but probably not.The government needs to provide you with FREE healthcare cause you slip and fell? Please...- Oni

I think you're starting to get it. It's simple, right?No insurance, no healthcare - free or otherwise (except a select few who are very fit, and of course the extremely rich) and we all fend for ourselves.After a few people start dying you'll starts to see people put down that burger or fried chicken and get their ass to a gym! You can't prove that. Well of course the healthy, fit individuals of our society who actually CARE about their health, and not SUCK ON THE GOVERNMENT TEET, should NOT concern themselves at all with the waste of space bellying up at Taco Bell at 10am. It's not fair to them to have to carry the rest of the fatty fat fats.I'll handle my own healthcare thank you very much. At the level I'm working out I'd kick diabetes right in the dick. 200 sit-ups, 200 pull-ups DAILY... diabetes can't hang with that. You'll have to forgive me but that just sounds like the ramblings of a lunatic. It's so simple, eat right (low carb, low cal) exercise DAILY, and I haven't said this yet but it's probably as important as sit-ups, you gotta take vitamins. Lots of them.If you do that, trust me, nothing will ever happen to you that would require medical attention. The reason so many people need insurance is because they risk their life every fucking day eating food that's not fit for humans. And they feed their kids the same shit!Do you honestly think it's fair for people to live that kind of lifestyle and then DEMAND free healthcare? If people want to kill themselves eating fast food and being couch potatoes then let them die. I see what you did there trickster. I paid it. Well sort of. The bill went to collections and I filled for bankruptcy.- Oni

I'm in good enough shape these days to probably win that thing, maybe.-Oni

I am NOT against socialized healthcare. I'm all for it. I just have a criteria as to who should be allowed to have it.Isn't that fair?Should people eating horrible food that is CLEARLY doing serious damage to their health, while not doing a single exercise all day except walking to the fridge, be allowed to partake in a free healthcare system with other, better fit people who place enough value on their health to take care of themselves with good dieting and exercise? Death to fatties is not my theme, it's the theme of those not eating garden salads for lunch and ordering BK delivery.BK's delivery service's slogan should be: BK delivers, because hey man, fuck it. We''ll soon have free healthcare.Enough with the slander. Please. You wouldn't be saying that if you were diabetes. No steriods. 200 sit-ups, 200 pull-ups, 45min of cardio, 45min of weights, an energy drink, a protein shake, 20 vitamins, and 8 hours of sleep.And the proof that it works? I'm still alive.- Oni

Here you go, another example of why this country should have a criteria for who gets free healthcare: Paula Deen Caught Eating a Cheeseburger

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Last week, TV chef Paula Deen announced that she's been suffering from type 2 diabetes for the past three years. She acknowledged that a person has "to make changes in your life" but apparently, Deen hasn't apparently changed all that much. TMZ posted a photo of Deen woolfing down a cheeseburger on Monday while on a 7-day Caribbean cruise. The 65-year-old chef was hosting her annual Party at Sea vacation for 400 fans. TMZ says Deen also had fries on her plate.

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My my, TV star Paula Deen. Burgers, fries, while having type 2 diabetes? Not only bad because of her diabetes, but also bad for being an over weight celebrity. That just ain't right.Should this person get free healthcare?- Oni

Sure, but FREE healthcare was my question. I'm not at all opposed to rewarding people for working out and staying away from nasty food as long as there is an equal punishment for those NOT doing it.Maybe taking away rights to certain foods and force them into a gym membership.- Oni