States petition for secession

Some day try learning how Christians interpret the Old Testament instead of insisting on your blockheaded misapplication. It's been explained to you many times I'm not going to bother again. You want to say stupid things apparently.

So when you wrote "The Bible would be the law of the land" you didn't mean that the laws in the Bible would be the law of the land? Which I didn't mention. Please address yourself to me and not to the delusions in your head.

We may still execute people for some crimes according to Old Testament standards, which I haven't studied myself so I don't know which, but not all of them I'm sure, and we don't stone people these days so it would be by some other means.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The Bible prescribes stoning - specifically - for some offences. Instead of insulting me, perhaps you can explain how you can be following Biblical law without doing what it says.

Cranmer and Latimer. (I don't know about Ridley.)Macaulay on Cranmer is most enjoyable if you like good prose: Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

Well that's because we don't follow "Old Testament standards" nowadays. But I gathered that it was your intention to put the clock back in that respect?

SPIRIT, NOT LETTER. There's your answer.

Perhaps I just don't have the patience to read all that carefully, but my impatient reading gets me the message that he had burned people at the stake AS A CATHOLIC, not as a Protestant. Yes? For denying the Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation. So he isn't an example of Protestant burnings at the stake. However, I do admit to being too impatient to read it more carefully, so perhaps you could quote for me any part of it that shows I got it wrong. Thank you.I also gather that Macaulay isn't very gracious toward his recanting and then changing his mind. But of course he DID change his mind and he did put his hand in the flame as he said he would do. Is there something about that fact you would like me to take more carefully into consideration?

God's Laws are not a matter of the clock as He is eternal and His law is eternal. I have to admit to not having studied the reasoning behind how Christians should decide nowadays whether to execute people for various crimes or not.The important thing is to be in obedience to God's will but Israel was a special case and Christians are not a theocracy so it hasn't been an issue. But if we did have a truly Christian state as I keep saying I'd like to have, then the question would come up and need to be thought through.I'm curious but not enough to spend a lot of time on it. This topic has wandered quite a bit and all I really wanted to do was discuss what practical measures might possibly be taken to reorganize the nation so that our clashing ideologies could stop clashing.

Latimer too had been a Catholic priest, so if he presided over burnings at the stake that would only have been expected.Macaulay's odd phrasing about how Cranmer "found out" that the doctrine of transubstantiation "was false" after Henry's death is such fancy prose that I have no idea whether this means he had become a Protestant or not.

Obviously you mean that custom overrules the Bible.

No, that is not what I mean. I mean that the Bible is to be interpreted according to the spirit of its intention and not the letter. That's what I said and it's what I meant. The physical trappings change with time, the spirit does not.

Your only reason for not stoning is that it isn't customary. You haven't even attempted to explain the spirit of the passages in question. For instance isn't community involvement an mportant part of choosing stoning as a method of execution?

I think a more fair assessment is that Faith has not yet thought this through and has admitted as much. She is hesitating on stoning, but she isn't really familiar enough with the Bible to say whether or not she'd actually cast the first stone.Such conflicts are quite frequent among Christians who don't actually care all that much for Jesus teachings.

You say that, but you continually and in multiple threads talk about how "as a nation" we need to "turn back to God" and "obey His laws" or suffer "His judgement." You believe that all manner of disaster, both natural and man-made, is a matter of judgement from God, punishment for not being a Christian theocracy.It's a curious set of mutually exclusive beliefs bouncing around in your head, Faith.