Multiculturalism

Well, no they aren't. But I have no real desire to give off the impression you were consistent.In many instances I mam not consistent and only a fool would always want consistency. But that is just misrepresentation on your part.I have no such general principle as you seem to imply.I see the side effects as the major problem when it comes to this particular issue. The LAW is the problem. But it's your law and if you folk like it, that's fine with me. I just think it is a stupid law that causes more damage than it might cure. But as I said, it is YOUR stupid law.

Too funny.No I was saying I would never attempt those things. Fumble fingers. What I meant to say was that I have no real desire to give off the impression that I am consistent. I'm still confused how you could think I took any such position. I'm sorry but what basic human rights are being breached?How the balance would go would depend a great deal on whether or not a reasonable law could be passed. What if such surgery were decriminalized and allowed to be performed in a hospital under sterile and hygienic conditions by an experienced, trained and certified surgeon?And yes, my position is based on multiculturalism, that I am not sure I am competent to legislate morality or cultural mores.

But I do not see where any such rights are being infringed. Rights are not universal and depend on a cultural context. Declarations of Human Rights are not, to the best of my knowledge, anything that carries the force or law. I am not a German and so German Basic Law is pretty irrelevant. Nor is the European Council for Health Research. You should be free to speak against it, to try to persuade people that your position is correct, to change practices but I'm not at all sure you should try to criminalize such things.

I figured you were talking about the European Council for Health Research.

Okay, thanks for clearing that point up.

Sure.Learning to deal with and understand other cultures is difficult and no culture has all the answers.Wasting time on passing laws criminalizing FGM is just utterly stupid and only makes the situation worse when real issues are not being addressed. Lets deal with getting drunk drivers off the roads and other important issues.

I have supported why I believe the law criminalizing FGM is stupid and ineffective and only makes things worse. Try reading.And no, again try reading. What I said was deal with real issues before worrying about almost irrelevant issues. Deal with things that do harm to far more people every year.But I understand, your politicians are about as stupid as our politicians.

Which mighjt actually be a reasonable position if it were true, but I have seen no evidence that it is.You admit that FGM still happens in the UK, If so, the law was ineffective as a deterrent, which is reasonable. The purpose of laws is not to deter acts as much as to make it possible to punish folk after the fact.Law abiding folk will follow reasonable procedure whether or not those procedures carry the force of law. Put up speed limit sings and I would follow them even if there was no penalty for exceeding them.Sorry but I still see your position as simply stupid.

I assume I am corresponding with adults.Sorry but all three of those people do not seem to be able to read within context.NMP.

I would say that it is simply an indication of the general lack of morals; pretty much universal I fear and a sad commentary on the general public.Yet people still get caught speeding. And thus the real value of the law.But what we find is that even there we do not seem able to apply law evenly or universally. The rich and powerful seem somehow able to avoid consequences.

Again, that is simply a very sad commentary on general morality. But if even one person does not slow down then the law was ineffective as a deterrent.

And your support for that statement is?Sorry charlie, but you are once again simply wrong.

Learn to read.What I said is that if a prohibited act happens then the law that prohibited the act was ineffective.Sorry but that is self-evident.

I speak for myself. If I am an exception then that is simply an indication of the lack of morality in others.

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