Multiculturalism

I have no idea what you think American culture is, and this statement surely does not help one bit. I will say that American is a lot more inclusive than it was in either 1945 or even 1969, much of that being indisputably a good thing.If you want to be understood, surely you can speak more plainly than you have so far.

I hear you. Come build our railroads then GTFO.

That's not historically how we treated the Chinese workers who built our railroads. I note Coyote's "abridged" version of the truth so I'll do a bit of filing in. Chinese people were not, in general, welcomed to assimilate in the 1800s. In fact we passed legislation severely limiting their ability to integrate for the sole reason that people hated them.The ones who were already here in many cases stayed in the face of overt discrimination that pretty much forced them to stay to themselves. Well unless we needed laborers or someone to have sex with.Diluting our culture and racial composition was indeed one of the phrases used to justify blatant xenophobia. Let's also point out that at the time we passed Chinese Exclusion Act legislation this country had essentially no immigration restrictions. US policy violated treaties and agreements with China.The Chinese Exclusion acts were repealed in 1943, primarily because we needed China as an ally in WWII. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

How long did it take for the Chinese to become accepted? Was it quick enough that we ought to assume it was instantaneous? Or is getting the #@$% end of the stick for the better part of a century considered just paying your dues?Yes, I'll acknowledge that Irish, and Germans had an easier time of it. And hey, let's talk about how the difference between how Germans and Japanese people were treated during WWII. Large segments of our population were actually sympathetic to Germany.Let's further talk about how people from India were considered white for purposes other than immigration. Then maybe we can get into the lot of Black people returning from WWII. And those people were not even immigrants. They were a part of American culture.The story for all immigrants is not the same. You are correct that I did not tell the whole story. But your offering was a complete laundering of what actually happened. I still have no idea what or who you are talking about. Are you going to tell us?Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Isn't the reason you have to do this because businesses want to make money from as many people as possible? Does someone actually believe that this is done to promote multi-culturalism? Wouldn't such a person be an idiot?What would be the contrary position? For a car repair shop to insist on not fixing your car until you learn to speak English? For a business owner not to pander to potential clients?In any event, Coyote says this is not quite what he means. I am not going to guess because I'm sure my guesses would be insulting, inaccurate accusations of wing-nuttery.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

What would be an example activity for adult students?

College students are required to show up on time. The other two suggestions sound like total BS to me. How about we already promote American values through things like SGA and other useful ECAs. Mock Thanksgiving for adults? Please. How about celebrating mock Manifest Destiny Day instead.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Coyote won't name the groups who are doing that. Who would you say is doing so. Is this about stuff like printing ballots in Spanish? and not properly grading English papers in Ebonics? Who is actively promoting diluting the host culture so that we cannot win WWIII?

I'm trying to with hold judgment because people I have some respect for are suggesting otherwise. Being patient and understanding is becoming increasingly difficult.

Is someone going to cite some examples of what they are talking about. What attempt to legislate are you talking about here? I thought this was an attempt at mono-culture within Quebec.

Great. So let's just not do language legislation. Oh wait? We don't have that here. I wonder if Dr. Adequate knew that.

Your complaint about the French language in Quebec does not seem to mirror anything else being discussed here. Certainly Quebec is a legitimate part of the discussion, but Quebec's tactics seemed pretty much to be exactly what people favoring multi-culturalism are complaining about.Jon seems to be trying to find ways to impose more conformity on the rest of us and Coyote seems to think that un-named factions are deliberately trying to weaken the Union so that we cannot return to the Moon.You appear to have some sympathy with those positions, but so far not in any way that makes sense. Just some vague stuff about affirmative action and keeping the culture pure along with a Quebec example that does not apply.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Which means what, in your opinion? That everyone in Canada should speak English primarily? How about a short list of say three citizenship requirements. Give me some examples of people fighting for a brand of multiculturalism that would allow such a thing.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

When you said that you are going to engage students in activities that will force them to pick up values, I took you at your word. Adult students have a choice in the activities they participate in, but others do not. Some do and some don't. Part of our culture ought to be tolerance for other people's differences in religion, celebrations, manner of dress, etc. right?And what policies are you talking about? The idea that multi-culturalism is about isolation and separatism is what appears to me to be the cartooning. So far both you and Coyote seem very reluctant to provide any detail.Until you put up something concrete, don't expect that I or anyone else is going to automatically know what you are talking about. I and others have repeated asked for clarification and the response is more generalities and accusations. Object to something specific, and perhaps you can get agreement from someone other than the other people tossing out generalities.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Really? That sounds like perhaps there was a bit of Cherokee assimilation to me. But perhaps you are right. How can you tell? And that sounds like a bit of multi-culturalism to me. I'd call that a cop out. There were certainly a number of cultures here when the Europeans arrived. Using the fact that those cultures did not meet the European definition of a state as an excuse for what happened next seems pretty self serving. Those settlers were immigrants by any reasonable definition of the word.That's said, I agree with you about some of the distinctions. It is not reasonable that immigrants today treat the country as if they were in the place of the first Europeans who arrived here. And would be completely unreasonable to expect Americans to act as did the Native Americans. In hindsight, it would have been in their best interest for the indigenous people to have given those immigrants quite a different reception.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.