What if Satan reformed?

Reality isn't black and white. "Reforming" means deciding to choose whiter shades of gray.

The worst kind of faith does. The worst kind of faith motivates people to doubt their own senses and reject reason entirely.The best kind of faith is applied only when logic and reason have abandoned you. As long as they're working, you should be using them. When they reach a dead end, then faith is your backup.Using faith indiscrimainately is like spraying a fire extinguisher around when there's no fire.

So what you're saying is that Satan doesn't actually make any difference.

So the leader is gone and the gang continues as before. What's the use of a leader?

He's your Get-out-of-Hell-free card.

There's that twelve-step nonsense again. "Acknowledge a higher power. You can't do it on your own."But in the end, you have to do it on your own. Nobody's going to do it for you, least of all your wishful-thinking sky daddy. If you fail to do it on your own, he's going to send you off to spend eternity with the spirits which chose to have no need nor want of heaven. He may not have "initially created" it for you but he's sure as hell going to use it on you if you don't measure up.That kind of "freedom" you can keep.

I don't know. What languge is it?So God gives us two roads, one that leads to the beach and one that leads to prison. If we go off-road, we go to prison. How is that a choice?Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.

And yet He has the gall to talk about "choice".

Of course it's His fault. He created the situation and all of the choices. He can't claim to give me a choice and then punish me for the choice I make. Only because He deprived me of the choice by creating it that way.

So how do you decide which argument is right? How do you know Satan is the bad guy? He isn't the one who's threatening us.If he does reform, should we cave in too or should we continue to fight the good fight against that God guy?

Nonsense. It's the opposite. Jesus said:

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John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

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To paraphrase Groucho Marx, I'd be suspicious of any club that wants me as a member.And of course the third option is neither.

That's why I said that not choosing either A or B is the third option. The problem is that your sadistic "god" takes a damned-if-you-choose-and-damned-if-you-don't-choose attitude. He gives no real choice.He offers nothing but slavery. Even if the chains are soft and fluffy, you don't dare break them.

I've answered that question for you many times. All I want is to be left alone. Just don't fry me. And I don't want to live for ever and ever with somebody who fried my friends. Your point is unfounded. I could say the same empty thing to you: After half an eternity in heaven you'll miss the friends that He butchered. For every man in that boat there's one who had an abusive father who's gladder than glad that the bastard is gone.

Broadly speaking, my friends would include the members of EvC. If you're right, then you and Faith won't get fried. (If Faith is right, you might get fried. ) Most of the rest of us seem to be fair game, according to your theology, because we have "chosen" to be without God. H.E.L.L.