Multiculturalism

"difference in degree"?Plucking out the boy's eyelashes versus plucking out the girl's eye certainly is a difference in degree.

This is one of the reasons you have been taking some heat on this subject. You think that labia majora + labia minora + clitorial hood + clitoris = foreskin. Your math is way off. My analogy is quite apt.Frankly, ringo, I am suprised that you are defending this butchery. Note: I did not say you support it.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Unless the defense is "diminished capacity" then defending the admitted butcher is defending the butchery. Defending the butcher says that in light of some specified reasons the butcher was justified in committing the butchery and thus the act of butchery was justly committed. When you validate the reasons a person committed an act then you have held the act itself to be valid for those very same reasons.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

In a court of law, yes. This forum is not a court of law. You seem intent in this forum on finding some reason to excuse the butcher from his butchery. It is their culture, practiced for centuries, butchered mothers look kindly upon the butchery of their daughters, etc. If any of these reasons defends the butcher then it also defends the butchery.I find disturbing a defense of this butcher/butchery coming from such a beautiful woman.

Oh, it is butchery, alright. Just ask me, I’ll tell ya’.Destroying a child’s chance of ever experiencing one of the greatest moments of pleasure this life has to offer by cutting out the only organ that produces that pleasure is butchery. Circumcision does not have this effect so trying to state that FGM and circumcision are equal treatments is asinine.Knowing that the only reason this persists in a culture is so the men can keep their women cowered, intimidated, subservient and obedient makes it not just butchery but a detestable abomination. It’s only purpose is to keep the misogynistic paternal power structure in place.When it comes to the women’s daughters -- I doubt many of these women had much of a say in the matter. They will respond in the paternally determined cultural manner as required. That’s our cohorts. Not mine. Ours. You have as much influence over this place as anyone. Yeah. OK. So? Does this somehow shield you from the push-back a less satanic advocate might expect? You’re still wrong.[abe]Lots of 'em. The labia piercings, for one. Even a clitoral piercing is acceptable. The big caveat is that these adornments are done by grown women voluntarily. She wasn't held down at 12 years old by strong old men, had her knees pulled apart while one of the old men scraped a shard of glass across her pussy.Hell, if a woman is of age she can do anything she wants with it. She can have the clit removed and the rest tattooed in scull and crossbones.On her own volition![/abe]Edited by AZPaul3, : forgotEdited by AZPaul3, : cosmetics

Ahem ... I wrote that I was surprised that you defended the butchery, not that you shouldn't. Take whatever position you want on any issue you want. No one is trying to deny you that. Just understand that when you take an abhorrent, disgusting, detestable and somewhat unpopular position you will get the same treatment as anyone else advocating such inanity.You're one of us. You can't escape. We gonna gitcha! Because it is irrelevant to the topic. But, you knew that. Good god, man, you cannot seriously equate these to FGM. Asinine!

For FGM, I have already drawn the line. It is butchery. It is patriarchal misogynistic bullying on a cultural level. It needs to be destroyed worldwide, everywhere, without exception.So now you want to muddy the waters bringing up other procedures asking for some impracticable hard and fast line that FGM crosses where these others do not.Each case is analyzed on its own merits. But then you knew that. You’re just blowing smoke. Bullshit. You are directly equating decisions on medical necessity with cultural butchery.In these cases the line you would ask for is between those two, btw. Is that line really that unclear for you?I do not believe you cannot see it. You're blowing smoke again, aren't you. You could probably do this sitting on the john, too, but so what? And I don’t know where this word opposition (in quotes even) came from. I didn't use it.On your head, on the john, it doesn't matter. When you advocate stup*dity (there is my damn banned word again. How droll.) you are going to get "opposition" whether it bites you or not. From your Message 690.See? You did know what we were talking about and knew your question for 800 posts was irrelevant to both the present discussion and the greater topic. You were blowing smoke for 800 messages.You do know smoking's not good for you, right?Since you bring up the greater subject of this thread, multiculturalism, I'll put in my 2₵.That’s fine and dandy. Have all the sub-cultures you want within this larger culture. Practice all your old cultural customs to your heart’s content.Just be aware that if your custom grossly violates the norms of the larger culture you have entered (like mutilating children), we’re going to throw your ass in jail. And before you ask, that determination will be made on a case-by-case basis by those organs of our society that we charge with determining such things (courts, legislatures, me).

Bullshit. You wanted a line, you got a line. In fact you got three of them.Appendectomies vs FGM: Yes there is a line. One is a medical necessity the other is misogynistic torture and butchery.Vaccinations vs FGM: Yes there is a line. One is a medical necessity the other is misogynistic torture and butchery.Dentistry vs FGM: Yes there is a line. One is a medical necessity the other is misogynistic torture and butchery.These are the three procedures you yourself brought up in comparison with FGM. I drew the line you wanted for each of them. Is the difference really this hard for you to see? You contradict yourself. First you say I said where the line is then you say I didn't say where the line is. Do try to be consistent - at least in consecutive sentences. In Context:

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So now you want to muddy the waters bringing up other procedures asking for some impracticable hard and fast line that FGM crosses where these others do not.

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Each case is analyzed on its own merits.

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Not every case of FGM, you idiot. Every case for the other procedures you were want to bring up as compared to FGM. If you are going to quote me don't twist it out of context. Bad form. Keep your head in the game, man.But, since you bring it up ... Bullshit. There are no "merits" to FGM, only demerits:1. misogynistic
2. torture
3. butcheryThese are the attributes of FGM, every case of FGM, and they suck.The only question for the courts should be, "Did you cut or aid and abet in the cutting?"If so then go directly to jail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. Did they cut or aid and abet in the cutting?If so then go directly to jail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. Let's take this slowly. You wanted a line. I gave you three of them.If you don't like the width of the line or where it is or it's the wrong shade of blue that is your own account, not mine.But to be generous to you I'll let you chose some other procedure or three. Bring them here and, since you're so insensitive to what is butchery, I'll tell you if they are on the FGM side of the line or not.Edited by AZPaul3, : cuz

You haven't read up on FGM. Or your reading comprehension is really piss poor. You need to try again.BTW, have you seen the FGM videos on YouTube? I'll not post them here. They are way over the top. The torture is absolutely real. Just listen to the screams. The butchery is absolutely real. Just watch the repeated cutting, slicing, action.You're not "standing tall" for the prior victims and their no-choice regurgitation of the culture's patriarchal mandate. You're sitting on your ass trying to excuse and forgive the ongoing torture and butchery of children.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

What low-down tactics?Calling torture, torture and calling butchery, butchery?It's quite obvious to any caring human being.Have you seen the videos, ringo?

Have you seen the videos, ringo?

Still blowing smoke, ringo. Childbirth is not the subject.Trying to deflect away from your indefensible position making excuses for torture, butchery, mutilation of young girls. Pot, meet Kettle. Have you seen the videos, ringo?

FGM is misogynist, torture and butchery committed on children. FGM is a brutal cultural practice that needs to be eliminated from everywhere around the globe.A free democratic multicultural society is not required to condone, accept or allow cultural practices that violate the norms or laws of the greater society. Immigrants into such a society may be allowed, may be encouraged, to add their art, their dress, their holidays both religious and secular, etc., to the culture of their adopted country, but must be required to abandon, by force of law if necessary, those practices that violate the norms of the adopted society.FGM, honor killings and severing hands as penalty for theft, are three such practices that need to be actively and forcefully eliminated from immigrant community culture.

Dr. A didn't make any mistake. I know this group he talks about. The problem with the private property thing to this group of cretins is that they don't believe the "private" bit when referring to a couple's bedroom or to a woman's womb. Neither is sacred nor inviolable as is the gun rack.

As I said, you believe the womb and the bedroom to be community property who's uses are determined and monitored by your group. Nothing private about them. What you consider violations subject to your public control are actually at the very essence of personal autonomy and the rights of individuals to control their own being. You deny such rights of private property to the individual. Only your (specific flavor of) god-approved uses of these properties can be allowed. Problem is most people do not believe in your (specific flavor of) god and deny your self-assumed "right" to control them.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.