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NoNukes
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Message 1100 of 1234 (747690)
01-18-2015 2:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1098 by Jon
01-18-2015 2:30 PM


Re: Multiculturalists in High Places
The distinction between Western and Anglo-Saxon is meaningfully nonexistent
Right. Except that neither of those terms as you've defined them describe the culture here in the US. What you are doing instead is simply taking the status quo, however you define it, and saying that you don't want to tolerate more changes.
The inclusion of blacks, hispanics, asians in this country has come with some adapting by the immigrants or freed people and some adapting by the host. I really don't care much that you don't like that. I doubt you'll be able to convince anyone except the most reactionary wing that things should have been different.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 1131 of 1234 (748065)
01-22-2015 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1128 by Jon
01-20-2015 9:13 PM


Re: Multiculturalists in High Places
Jon writes:
Force is always applicable.
Interesting.
Jon writes:
Not force; but encourage. You are putting words into my arguments that make me look like a totalitarian lunatic. But, again, this is just your caricaturization of me; it is not my actual position.
I guess I can finally agree with you on something substantial.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 1133 of 1234 (748110)
01-22-2015 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1132 by Jon
01-22-2015 5:10 PM


Re: Multiculturalists in High Places
How do you protect individuals and their rights rights from others who would take them away?
Just what rights are you claiming to have lost through multi-culturalism? I suspect that answer to be something close to zero.
Of course if you are a totalitarian lunatic (your term, not mine) who thinks that not having to dial one to speak in English or that having other people eat turkey on thanksgiving is one of his God given rights then you are going to see every group of immigrants of as some type of threat to your well being.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 1138 of 1234 (748152)
01-23-2015 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1137 by jar
01-23-2015 9:09 AM


Re: Multiculturalists in High Places
Faith writes:
Just how could Islam get hold of the US?
Can you even think of a way?
Faith has put her money where her mouth is. Part of her 100 dollar bet with Dr Adequate is that Islam will get a hold in the nation by Dec 19, 2019.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 1172 of 1234 (761105)
06-28-2015 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1171 by Jon
06-28-2015 9:36 AM


Re: Immigration Policy in the US
quote:
To provide admission to people from a diverse set of countries.
From which Jon concludes:
Jon writes:
Multiculturalism is U.S. policy.
You appear to have skipped a couple of steps in your logic. Again.
Providing a legal immigration opportunity to a person from one of the few countries that doe not already immigrate here in droves (50,000 per year or more) is not necessarily multiculturalism. That is unless multiculturalism is just your code word for xenophobic paranoia.
As an aside...
At one time official US policy was that white people could immigrate freely. There are actually an old case from that era where the Supreme Court ruled that merely being Caucasian was not enough to be considered white for immigration purposes.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 1174 of 1234 (761110)
06-28-2015 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1173 by Jon
06-28-2015 11:53 AM


Re: Immigration Policy in the US
The U.S. immigration policy I cited is an example of a Multiculturalism policy.
Allowing a person to immigrate here from say, Guatemala or Taiwan, for the simple purpose of finding a better economic opportunity does not necessarily promote either cultural diversity or require any particular policy for treating the individual any differently. We might well anticipate that the new emigree will assimilate into the current culture.
What you are demonstrating by lumping things into your multicultural pot and then railing against all things multicultural is your own paranoia and xenophobia.
The alternative, which would be an immigration policy tied to disallowing the possibility to immigrate of people based on their cultural background would be intolerable and unjust. But apparently that's the kind of policy you need to feel safe.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 1184 of 1234 (765546)
07-31-2015 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1183 by vimesey
07-31-2015 4:15 PM


Re: At what point does "culture" make it right ?
women in the Sudan can be flogged (though in this particular instance, she wasn't) for wearing trousers.
To our Western way of thinking, how outrageously ridiculous (perhaps cruel) does a cultural law have to be, before our objections to it become legitimate, in the eyes of a cultural relativist.
I would suggest that if forced mutilation an laws against educating girls fail to cross the line for some relativist, laws outlawing the wearing trousers by women would not even register on the outrage meter.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 1214 of 1234 (765588)
08-01-2015 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1213 by MrHambre
08-01-2015 3:10 PM


Re: At what point does "culture" make it right ?
Do we fully recognize the personhood and value of women in Western cultures, or are we satisfied with the way they're treated because, after all, we don't whip them for wearing pants?
Right, because it is impossible to both note our own shortcomings and to also identify some short comings of others as being even worse.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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