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ringo
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Message 1049 of 1234 (747438)
01-15-2015 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1048 by Faith
01-15-2015 11:43 AM


Re: Catholic terrorism in Ireland
Faith writes:
... I don't think the potato famine was intended as retaliation, it was just horrible mindless cruelty....
Personally, I think mindless cruelty is just as bad as intentional retaliation.

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ringo
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Message 1052 of 1234 (747441)
01-15-2015 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1050 by Faith
01-15-2015 11:55 AM


Re: Catholic terrorism in Ireland
Faith writes:
As bad, sure, but the point is it wasn't intended as part of the ongoing conflict which has its own historical momentum.
So mindless ignorance of consequences is okay?

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ringo
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Message 1095 of 1234 (747685)
01-18-2015 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1092 by Jon
01-18-2015 12:48 PM


Re: Multiculturalists in High Places
Jon writes:
What Anglo-Saxon culture? The majority of European people in the U.S. are of German heritage. They speak a language descendant from a long-dead Anglo-Saxon dialect. They practice forms of government founded in Greece and Rome. Their religious beliefs have their origins in the Middle East with a long-haired, hippy Jew.
All of those factors were filtered through a little place called "the British Isles".

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ringo
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Message 1114 of 1234 (747760)
01-19-2015 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1109 by Jon
01-18-2015 7:06 PM


Re: Multiculturalists in High Places
Jon writes:
Slavery and segregation were not ended in the south by building more schools.
So are you suggesting civil war or carpet-bagging?

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ringo
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Message 1119 of 1234 (747767)
01-19-2015 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 1118 by Jon
01-19-2015 11:34 AM


Re: Multiculturalists in High Places
Jon writes:
I'm suggesting that we might need to do more than just bring the horse to water.
And I'm asking what "more" is. Holding his head under water?

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ringo
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Message 1126 of 1234 (747845)
01-20-2015 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 1123 by Jon
01-19-2015 1:44 PM


Re: Multiculturalists in High Places
In Message 1109 you said, "Slavery and segregation were not ended in the south by building more schools."
To your mind, what were they ended by? And would the same approach be applicable to todays problems (moving people away from backwardness and extremism)?

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ringo
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Message 1130 of 1234 (748049)
01-22-2015 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1128 by Jon
01-20-2015 9:13 PM


Re: Multiculturalists in High Places
Jon writes:
Force is always applicable.
So you're prepared to force people to assimilate? And sticking with the slavery example, I presume you mean armed force?

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ringo
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Message 1159 of 1234 (748281)
01-24-2015 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 1150 by NosyNed
01-23-2015 3:12 PM


Re: Ramps
NosyNed writes:
Mothers and Fathers with baby carriages can get around, old folks walking have an easier time of it. Old ladies with grocery carts manage better. Everyone is better off. Even the usually able bodied who have an injury benefit.
I consider myself "usually able bodied" rather than "old" but I always use the ramps at intersections instead of taking the six-inch leap of faith off the curb. The city is routinely putting them in as the old sidewalks are replaced; it can't be that much more expensive. (Another advantage is that they eliminate the need for armour plating to protect the curbs from heavy vehicles taking the corners to sharply.)

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ringo
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Message 1176 of 1234 (761131)
06-28-2015 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1171 by Jon
06-28-2015 9:36 AM


Re: Immigration Policy in the US
Jon writes:
quote:
To provide admission to people from a diverse set of countries.
Multiculturalism is U.S. policy.
Your example says nothing about multiculturalism. Admitting people from different cultures does not imply promoting or even tolerating the practice of those cultures over here.

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ringo
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Message 1178 of 1234 (761134)
06-28-2015 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1177 by Jon
06-28-2015 3:29 PM


Re: Immigration Policy in the US
Jon writes:
I cited the policy as an example of promoted diversity.
But what you cited - at least what you quoted from your citation - doesn't promote diversity. It promotes drawing from diverse sources - like drawing water from different wells to mix in one reservoir.

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ringo
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Message 1180 of 1234 (761138)
06-28-2015 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1179 by Jon
06-28-2015 3:48 PM


Re: Immigration Policy in the US
Jon writes:
The Diversity Visa program shows how the U.S. government goes out of its way to ensure a diverse population of immigrants.
No, it says nothing about preserving the diversity. To use your analogy, it could mean putting the spaghetti and the macaroni and the rotini into the same soup. The individuals can still be distinguished but nothing is being done to promote their diversity.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days)
Posts: 20940
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Message 1182 of 1234 (761179)
06-29-2015 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1181 by Jon
06-28-2015 9:31 PM


Re: Immigration Policy in the US
Jon writes:
But the soup (i.e., the population) is now diverse.
The question is neither whether the sources of the ingredients were diverse nor whether the soup is now diverse. Your claim is that the US government policy was/is to promote diversity and you haven't shown that. They might have anticipated that the diversity would be preserved in part - or they might have hoped that it wouldn't. After all, a hundred years ago there was immigration from diverse sources but the policy was assimilation.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 1207 of 1234 (765576)
08-01-2015 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1189 by Faith
08-01-2015 2:26 AM


Re: Some thoughts
Faith writes:
The group you obviously have in mind are big on private property and capitalist economy.
Jesus wasn't:
quote:
Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Talk about relativism: pretending to "worship" somebody you oppose diametrically.

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