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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
That's because the quiz forces you to actually think about issues instead of just spouting rhetoric.
By the way, I recall taking one of those quizzes here a few years ago, or more than one maybe, that places you somewhere in a quadrant on a graph according to your political views, and I always end up very near the center, maybe in a Rightist quadrant but not far into it.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5
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quote: Do they refuse to print falsehoods that Trump wants them to print and print Truths that Trump doesn't want them to print. Isn't that what an unbiased news source should do ? Isn't calling it "fake news" outright lying ?
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Since no supporters of Trump's claims of "fake news" are offering any actual evidential support I thought I'd help them out by conducting a brief review of this article from today's New York Times: Trump Offers Up a More Hopeful Vision. I'll be looking to see if the article contains any biased or fake portions.
quote: Given the chaotic immigration ban and the fear he's sowed in the immigrant community, the concerns he's sparked in NATO, the insults to foreign cities, countries and heads of state, and the confusion he's caused about health care, tumultuous seems a more than fair characterization of the Trump presidency thus far. It must at least be agreed that his presidency has been very non-traditional.
quote: Mentioning immigration compromise in his briefing with news anchors and then leaving it out of his SOTU address certainly does raise questions.
quote: The SOTU address was much clearly more optimistic than the inaugural with its many dark references to stealing and carnage and the red blood of patriots and ravages and destruction and terrorism and so forth.
quote: This seems an accurate assessment.
quote: This is a clearly biased paragraph that goes well beyond factual reporting to make comparisons with the previous president who faced far more urgent economic problems than those faced today and so had to move rapidly.
quote: This is just referring to the differences of opinion among Republicans on health care, ranging from complete repeal of Obamacare without replacement all the way to keeping much of it.
quote: This seems an unnecessary jab at a time when the president has just taken a very positive step toward a more traditional and presidential style.
quote: Characterizing policy differences within the administration as "war" seems unnecessarily harsh. There's much more in the article, of course, but those were the parts that I thought could be challenged as biased. They was not, as far as I could tell, any fake or incorrect information in the article. --Percy
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Um, I think it's more likely that leftist thinking has managed to get itself accepted as mainstream over the last few decades. It shouldn't be too hard simply to define a leftist idea as versus a conservative idea and see that they align with my view of the chart better than yours. But it's more than just a difference of political views these days, it's the active smear campaign against Trump that's become the problem. Tell me Faith, is there any news source or internet source too far to the right for you?
I'm probably farther right than a lot of conservatives -- which I attribute to my Christian perspective which a lot of conservatives don't share, but nevertheless I'd put the Mainstream/Center no more than one column to the left of me. ... Which means many conservatives are liberals, fascinating.
...What may or may not be to the right of me I'd have to sort out idea by idea. And I'll bet you find very little in that search
How Trump is treated by the MSM/left is certainly not something I made up, I see the evidence in headlines every time I go online, and I'm just one of a huge crowd that recognizes what the "fake news" sources are doing, that's why so many call them fake news. Like the huge crowd at his inauguration? Remember that discussion?
Is it "fake news" to say that Obama's was bigger, or is it fact and that the complaints about fake news are what is actually fake? How Trump is treated in the news is due to his trying to lie and create a false story while the media corrects him. That he wants you to believe he is a victim is his way of controlling you. Standard dictator protocol. You should know, because you were always ranting on about how Obama was being a dictator. Enjoy Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Fix a quote box.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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14174dm Member (Idle past 1139 days) Posts: 161 From: Cincinnati OH Joined: |
Sorry about the late question
Where did this graphic in message 338 about left/right vs reliable/biased news sources come from? Your opinion? Polling? Academic study from...? Edited by 14174dm, : clarification
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AdminAsgara Administrator (Idle past 2332 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: |
Political Compass
I'd be interested in looking back for the results.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Yes, that chart is perfect, thanks. You're awfully good at that sort of thing. What browser do you use? There are tools out there for inverting colours and making text white with dark backgrounds and things. Here are some examples: Dark Reader - Chrome Web Store Invert Colors — Get this Extension for Firefox (en-GB) How to Enable Dark Theme on Edge Browser | Laptop Mag
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2332 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
I've told Faith before about a chrome extension called High Contrast. It offers several options to see what works best for her, and you can adjust it differently for different pages.
Chrome extension High Contrast
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Do they refuse to print falsehoods that Trump wants them to print and print Truths that Trump doesn't want them to print. Isn't that what an unbiased news source should do ? Isn't calling it "fake news" outright lying ? Headlines I'm talking about misrepresent facts I happen to know about, or put accounts into pejorative language, or focus on somebody's negative opinion of something Trump said or did instead of just describing what he said or did. Edited by Faith, : fix quote code
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Given the chaotic immigration ban and the fear he's sowed in the immigrant community, the concerns he's sparked in NATO, the insults to foreign cities, countries and heads of state, and the confusion he's caused about health care, tumultuous seems a more than fair characterization of the Trump presidency thus far. It must at least be agreed that his presidency has been very non-traditional. Well, but consider it this way: His ""tumultuous" presidency has had nothing to do with him, it's all about leftist reaction to him, the ridiculous protests, the threats to kill him and so on. It's really very odd that he is held responsible for others' reactions, which would be considered bizarre in any other context. His "chaotic immigration ban was not chaotic, people's reactions made it chaotic, leftist reactions; his supporters had no problem with it and we still don't. The "fear" in the immigration community is a truly wacko case in point. What on earth did Trump do except promise to deport criminals? Having an "immigration day" and Cuomo's strange remark suggesting Trump might throw out his legal immigrant family, are either a failure of intelligence to the point of dementia, or a designed attempt to pretend he is a threat to legal immigrants. Trump didn't cause this, his enemies are causing it. For what purpose? To confuse the public? To turn the public against him? I don't know about "the concerns he's sparked in NATO" but perhaps concerns should be sparked in NATO, perhaps Trump plans to do something good and right that concerns NATO? I suppose by " the insults to foreign cities, countries and heads of state" you mean his mention of the chaos in Europe caused by the flooding in of millions of Muslim immigrants who are a big problem they don't want to admit, that Trump wants to protect America from? They are strangled by political correctness, they have to whitewash their horrific immigration problems and that's Trump's fault for telling the truth about it. I'm not sure exactly what "confusion he's caused about health care" except the media's loving to make issues of things before they are finished... "tumultuous seems a more than fair characterization of the Trump presidency thus far. It must at least be agreed that his presidency has been very non-traditional." Oh I'm not particularly bothered by the word "tumultuous" but blaming on him what is really media-generated tumult, or leftist plots to make him look bad -- the raucous townhall meetings about Trump policies are due to leftist infiltrators for instance, doing their usual best to destroy normal discussion and MAKE chaos where there doesn't have to be chaos. I do think, however, that Trump might be able to mitigate some of this if he had a different personality instead of always reacting combatively, but probably it wouldn't make a lot of difference in the end, it's just that the Left hates everything he stands for and are going to make as much of a ruckus as they can no matter what he does. I'm not up to reading your whole post right now I'm afraid so the above is just my initial reaction.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Political Compass I'd be interested in looking back for the results. If you can find the quizzes I'd be interested too. My own quick search turned up nothing. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Thanks, to you and Asgara both. I just can't cope with even minimal technical issues these days, but since you provide links maybe I can do something. I have a new computer system because my other one crashed and I'm operating it with an absolute minimum of stuff I had on my old one because it's too much for me to find things on the new system, follow instructions to set things up and so on.
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2332 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
The quiz itself is on the link I posted in the message you are replying to.
The Political Compass is the original thread. Unfortunately a lot of the graphs in that thread are no longer available. If people want to give me their scores on a new taking of the test I will graph them again. We can continue on the old thread as it is pretty short. Again, post replies and or scores on the above mentioned thread.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't want to take a new quiz, I just wanted to find the old ones to see what my scores were. Fortunately Moose found one of them.
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2332 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
I've added you to the chart... pretty much smack dab in the middle
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