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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined:
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What quasi-religious attachment? Please explain why so much emphasis and seeming importance is placed on a theory that has no use in applied science. Why is said useless theory dogmatically preached at every level of education? Why are any academics, intellectuals and scientists who oppose this useless theory subjected to persecution and ridicule? From the perspective of science, the worship of ToE makes no sense; it only makes sense from the perspective of philosophical-naturalism imperialism (to wit: Atheist totalitarianism).
Evolution is used to predict protein function. Evolution can also be used to predict which parts of genomes are functional/ If you bothered to look beyond the myth, you would find that none of the procedures used in applied biology depend on the theory that all life evolved from a common ancestor. You have been conditioned to think that said theory is essential - it isn't; you've heard Dobzhansky's Lie so often that you've never thought to question it - mainly because you've got no reason to question it; you're happy to believe it. The only folks who question it are Creationists ... consequently they can see it for the gigantic con-job that it is.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined:
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Why are you so afraid of the idea that existing life evolved from a common ancestor? I am opposed to the theory that all life evolved from a commn ancestor because it 1) is a myth concocted from fake science, 2) it contradicts the Bible, 3) it has hijacked the science of biology and turned it into a propaganda vehicle for atheist theology. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
What is not evident is any other explanation. Except special creation.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
You don't think understanding the history of biological species is useful in and of itself? Please be advised that coming up with stories about how life was invented is nothing more than an historical curiosity. It is irrelevant to applied biology. To drive a car, or to fix or improve a car, I don't need to know the story of how cars came to be invented or how cars evolved from simpler machines to what they are now. All I need is what is there now and how it works.
Fossils are VERY useful for figuring out why we see the species we do see In other words, fossils are useful for embellishing a useless historical curiosity/theory that cannot be verified as fact. Big deal. Empty beer bottles are more useful than fossils.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Where did you get the nonsensicsl idea that something requires experiment in order to be science? From the dictionary. But onsecond thoughts, science is too broad a term to be confined to observation and experiment. Consider forensic science, for example, where conclusions can be drawn from observations, after the fact.
All science needs is observations, and from those observations scientists can devise hypotheses and test them against future observations. Sounds like a form of experiment to me.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
The theory of evolution is in fact useful in applied science. Agreed - very useful. But I'm not referring to ToE; I'm referring to the dogmatic preaching of the theory that all life evolved from a common ancestor.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
The theory of evolution can be used in applied biology. Yes, of course, butthe theory that all life evolved from a common ancestor has no use in applied biology.
Okay, you're talking about "all life evolved from a common ancestor", that is not the theory of evolution. Granted, but ToE is used to conclude that all life evolved from a common ancestor. The two theories have virtually become synonymous; the mentality is, if ToE is true, then so is the theory all life evolved from a common ancestor - which is what Dobzhansky was on about.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
It's interesting to note how all the creationists are wrong. Well, my definition is wrong and I have to admit to another mistake: I was under the impression that ToE included the theory that all life evolved from a common ancestor, but half an hour ago I discovered that I was wrong. Oh dear ...
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Thanks for that CCR. Wow, this is such a convoluted subject - you don't who or what to believe! When someone mentions "the theory of evolution" or "evolution" you really need to get them to explain exactly what they mean. It seems to me that there are least three theories of evolution!
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
According to Wiki, for example, ToE is "the process by which organisms change over time as a result of changes in heritable physical or behavioural traits". This sounds like microevolution to me.
Then there is LUCA - macro. Then there is Darwin's ToE - macro. Then there is the general theory of evoultion, which is macro. How can a sane discussion proceed about "evolution" or "the theory of evoltion" if you can't be sure what the hell the other person is referring to? Fair dinkum! No wonder the clarifying terms, micro' and macro-evolution were introduced. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
The DNA of an earthworm contains 10.465 infos; the DNA of a human being contains 3,356,298,112.2089 infos.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Fossils are the facts that verify the theory of evolution What is the theory of evolution?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Dredge says: "I am opposed to the theory that all life evolved from a common ancestor because it ... contradicts the Bible." Taq says: "you call evolution a myth because it contradicts your religious beliefs." Here you have equated "the theory that all life evolved from a common ancestor" with "evolution". This is interesting, as it seems to at odds with definitions that some other evolutionists offer.
You have demonstrated time and again that you don't even understand how science works. These are harsh words, difficult to accept. If you were my teacher, what would you give me out of ten for my understanding of science?
evolution has nothing to do with atheism. The majority of Christians worldwide accept evolution As you pointed out in your post, "evolution" includes that part that says all life evolved from a common ancestor. Please show me the figures that verify your claim that the majority of Christians worldwide accept that all life evolved from a common ancestor. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Evolution is heritable change within a population. If so, then it is possible to accept evolution as a fact without believing that all life evolved from a common ancestor.
The theory of evolution is how it happens, ie, mutation, selection, drift, recombination, lateral gene transfer. Your definition seems to be miles away from, say, the definition that Wiki offers:"The theory of evolution is the process by which organisms change over time as a result of changes in heritable physical or behavioural traits." This definition contains nothing at all about "how it happens" - as in your definition. Wiki's definition of the theory of evolution is more like your definition of evolutionie, "heritable change in a population". Quite a difference. Is it any wonder creationists get confused about definitions of "evolution" and "the theory of evolution", when evolutionists themselves can't even agree?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
If you did a survey of passers-by on the street and asked them what is meant by "biological evolution" or "the theory of evolution", 99.99% of them will say is the process by which complex forms of life evolved from much more simpler forms of life. They wouldn't refer to the mechanism by which evolution happens, but to the end result - which seems to be the opposite of how those terms are used in biology.
since creationists are, y'know, wrong Have you ever known Dredge to be wrong?
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