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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
The DNA of an earthworm contains 10.465 infos; the DNA of a human being contains 3,356,298,112.2089 infos.
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2506 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
Dredge writes: The DNA of an earthworm contains 10.465 infos; the DNA of a human being contains 3,356,298,112.2089 infos. No. Size isn't everything.
Here's some info for you quote: And size is easily achieved because duplications are common.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Dredge writes: The DNA of an earthworm contains 10.465 infos; the DNA of a human being contains 3,356,298,112.2089 infos. Ah, size of the genome equates to "genetic information", according to you. Then, according to your definition a protozoan, called Amoeba dubia, has more than 670,000,000.0000 "infos". Hey, according to you, personally, a unicellular organism has a hundred times more genetic information than you! And, unlike you, those protozoans don't even pretend to have brains! Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
So, Dredge.
Now that you know something about genome sizes; are you going to answer the following question?
Pressie writes: You don't want to prove yourself to be more brainless that protozoa, do you?
Hey, Dredge, how do you quantify the information stored in the DNA? How do you know whether genetic information increases or decreases without a way of measuring it? Could you provide the units to measure the amount of genetic information?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Evolution: The process of development of organisms. "Development" is a poor choice of words because it is the word we use for ontogeny, for growing from a zygote to an adult.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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I think it suits some people to leave it that way then they can say "Behold the Peppered Moth! That is an example of evolution. Hence we have proved that humans evolved from apes which evolved from LUCA." And since no-one ever does say that, what you think is an insane paranoid delusion that bears no relationship to reality.
And that's why we can have definitions ranging from @Pressie 377 After all of this, I gathered that the word evolution means change over time. to @CRR 87Evolution is the theory that all the living forms in the world have arisen from a single source which itself arose naturally from an inorganic form. But one of those definitions is yours, CRR! If you are genuinely worried that one day someone will conflate the two definitions, you can withdraw yours and use the same definition as everyone else does.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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According to Wiki, for example, ToE is "the process by which organisms change over time as a result of changes in heritable physical or behavioural traits". This sounds like microevolution to me. A little of that would be microevolution; a lot of that would be macroevolution.
How can a sane discussion proceed about "evolution" or "the theory of evoltion" if you can't be sure what the hell the other person is referring to? Sane people are not confused.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Thanks for that CCR. When a creationist tries to deceive you, thanks are not in order.
Wow, this is such a convoluted subject CRR's deception is indeed convoluted, but it is not the subject.
- you don't who or what to believe! I do: the scientists.
When someone mentions "the theory of evolution" or "evolution" you really need to get them to explain exactly what they mean. And then if they're talking crazy creationist crap you need to ask them to stop.
It seems to me that there are least three theories of evolution! And you are pathetically, ludicrously wrong. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Dredge writes: According to Wiki, for example, ToE is "the process by which organisms change over time as a result of changes in heritable physical or behavioural traits". This sounds like microevolution to me. All of the genetic differences between humans and chimps was produced by this process. Macroevolution is the accumulation of microevolutionary events. As an analogy, taking a single step is microevolution. Walking to the curb is macroevolution, and it works by repeating the process of taking a single step.
How can a sane discussion proceed about "evolution" or "the theory of evoltion" if you can't be sure what the hell the other person is referring to? How can a sane discussion proceed when you refuse to listen to what other people are saying?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
The DNA of an earthworm contains 10.465 infos; the DNA of a human being contains 3,356,298,112.2089 infos. How did you arrive at those numbers?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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CRR writes: Evolution is the theory that all the living forms in the world have arisen from a single source which itself arose naturally from an inorganic form. As discussed before, the theory doesn't require an universal common ancestor. "There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved."--Charles Darwin, "Origin of Species" From the very start of the theory an universal common ancestor was not required. It just so happens that the evidence points to an universal common ancestor, so that is the conclusion that scientists have adopted.
and they are all correct in some sense and all wrong in some sense. Hence the confusion. That is true of every single theory in science. As it turns out, human language can only approximate reality, so it will always fall short when describing reality. This is why the semantic arguments, which creationists are all too fond of, tend to fall flat. Instead of trying to understand what reality is like, ID/creationists want to obscure the subject by focusing on definitions for words.
I think it suits some people to leave it that way then they can say "Behold the Peppered Moth! That is an example of evolution. Hence we have proved that humans evolved from apes which evolved from LUCA." I have yet to see anyone claim that the peppered moth proves that humans evolved from a common ancestor shared with other apes. Perhaps you could cite any of us saying that? What the peppered moth does do is give a real world example of how the mechanisms of evolution work, namely the mechanism of random mutation and natural selection. The evidence for shared ancestry between humans and other species like chimps is found in things like endogenous retroviruses or transitional fossils.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Fossils are the facts that verify the theory of evolution What is the theory of evolution?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Dredge says: "I am opposed to the theory that all life evolved from a common ancestor because it ... contradicts the Bible." Taq says: "you call evolution a myth because it contradicts your religious beliefs." Here you have equated "the theory that all life evolved from a common ancestor" with "evolution". This is interesting, as it seems to at odds with definitions that some other evolutionists offer.
You have demonstrated time and again that you don't even understand how science works. These are harsh words, difficult to accept. If you were my teacher, what would you give me out of ten for my understanding of science?
evolution has nothing to do with atheism. The majority of Christians worldwide accept evolution As you pointed out in your post, "evolution" includes that part that says all life evolved from a common ancestor. Please show me the figures that verify your claim that the majority of Christians worldwide accept that all life evolved from a common ancestor. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
What is the theory of evolution? The explanation of how evolution works.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Evolution is heritable change within a population. If so, then it is possible to accept evolution as a fact without believing that all life evolved from a common ancestor.
The theory of evolution is how it happens, ie, mutation, selection, drift, recombination, lateral gene transfer. Your definition seems to be miles away from, say, the definition that Wiki offers:"The theory of evolution is the process by which organisms change over time as a result of changes in heritable physical or behavioural traits." This definition contains nothing at all about "how it happens" - as in your definition. Wiki's definition of the theory of evolution is more like your definition of evolutionie, "heritable change in a population". Quite a difference. Is it any wonder creationists get confused about definitions of "evolution" and "the theory of evolution", when evolutionists themselves can't even agree?
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