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Taq
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Message 451 of 580 (818582)
08-30-2017 6:08 PM
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CRR writes:

They ARE separate species. They are also separate kinds.

And yet the there are more physical differences between dog breeds than there is between humans and chimps. How do you explain that?


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Message 452 of 580 (818585)
08-30-2017 6:16 PM
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It's not true. Dog morphology is always distinctively that of a dog; also dog behavior. There's no mistaking dogs as anything but dogs. You are allowing yourself to be confused by unimportant differences.
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Message 453 of 580 (818588)
08-30-2017 6:20 PM
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08-30-2017 6:16 PM


Dogs, Humans, Cats
Not only that but humans keep dogs as pets; and cats keep humans as pets.

Hey? What the ....


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Message 454 of 580 (818589)
08-30-2017 6:21 PM
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Faith writes:

It's not true. Dog morphology is always distinctively that of a dog; also dog behavior.

There are still more physical differences between a Chihuahua and a Great Dane than there are between a chimp and a human.

Primate morphology is always distinctively that of a primate, and that includes chimps and humans.


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Message 455 of 580 (818970)
09-04-2017 6:21 PM
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There are similarities and differences. Humans, Chimps, Chihuahuas, and Great Danes all have a head, two forelimbs, two hind limbs, but only humans walk on two legs.
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Message 456 of 580 (818974)
09-04-2017 7:14 PM
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Humans, Chimps, Chihuahuas, and Great Danes all have a head, two forelimbs, two hind limbs, but only humans walk on two legs.

Chimps can walk on two legs, and frequently resort to that when they want to carry something. It is not a circus trick. So do Bonobos. What's your point here? We know that different species are not identical.


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Message 457 of 580 (818977)
09-04-2017 8:10 PM
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09-04-2017 7:14 PM


Dogs can walk on two legs too. I've seen it. But humans are the only ones that habitually walk on two legs.
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Message 458 of 580 (818978)
09-04-2017 8:19 PM
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Message 459 of 580 (818979)
09-04-2017 8:24 PM
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Message 460 of 580 (819030)
09-05-2017 11:15 AM
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09-04-2017 6:21 PM


CRR writes:

Humans, Chimps, Chihuahuas, and Great Danes all have a head, two forelimbs, two hind limbs, but only humans walk on two legs.


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Message 461 of 580 (819041)
09-05-2017 12:10 PM
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CRR writes:

But humans are the only ones that habitually walk on two legs.


Humans are also the only ones that habitually ingest alcohol and a plethora of other dangerous chemicals. What do bad habits have to do with anything?
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Message 462 of 580 (819102)
09-06-2017 8:06 AM
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Humans are also the only ones that habitually ingest alcohol

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Message 463 of 580 (819103)
09-06-2017 9:28 AM
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09-06-2017 8:06 AM


Birds as well. Back when I was living on Hilton Head we had a pyracantha growing in front of the window next to the front door of the villa (better protection than burglar alarms). Every year when the berries ripened the Cedar Waxwings descended on the bush and gorged on the fallen fruit until they got so drunk the simply fell over. The first time it we returned to find birds littering the entrance we were worried and called the guard gate fearing someone had put out poison only to be greeted with laughter. Their suggestion was to sweep them off the path and just wait. Sure 'nuff in about thirty minutes a miracle had happened and all the dead birds had flown away.

Except Cliff and Norm who were back at the bar.


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Message 464 of 580 (819106)
09-06-2017 9:47 AM
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09-04-2017 8:10 PM


Dogs can walk on two legs too. I've seen it. But humans are the only ones that habitually walk on two legs.

1) Chimps routinely do it when they need to do so. So do Bonobos. Those are among the existing animals that are genetically closest to humans.
2) You actually said that those other animals do not walk on hind legs.

Surely you realize that your admission just puts further holes in what was already a poor argument.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up theyre not going to shoot me. This is what Im thinking theyre not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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Message 465 of 580 (822196)
10-20-2017 9:14 PM


The fossil record reveals the miserable failure of Darwism's most fundamental prediction - gradualism. Gould stated that the fossil record is characterised two things antithetical to gradualism - sudden appearance and stasis.

Sudden appearance and stasis fit two fundamental predictions of creation. Ain't that interesting?


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