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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: The question is whether or not God and Jesus are a creation of man or whether there has actually been a communication between the Creator of all seen and unseen and humanity at some point. And once again, it still has absolutely nothing to do with the topic beyond the fact that those who doubt we went to the moon are as disconnected from reality or evidence-based decision making as the fools that believe there will be some rapture or that the Bible is not simply the creation of man. I believe that there has, though cannot prove it. You point out the reasons why it was contrived as a story in order to market a religion. But what about the same behavior in our modern government? How many stories have they tried to market? Can you believe that reality suggests that we all are humans and at the end of the day on the same page? OR...is there a group at the top globally who desires to control the masses for "their own good" and who classifies information in order to gain the money and the power to further their own interests?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The question is whether or not God and Jesus are a creation of man or whether there has actually been a communication between the Creator of all seen and unseen and humanity at some point. I believe that there has, though cannot prove it. The Bible was given to us as evidence. There is tons of witness evidence to communication between God and humanity. Tons and tons and tons and tons. Anyone who thinks the Bible could have been written as fiction has no ability to judge literature. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
While I agree that the Bible is not fictional nor simply made up, I think we have no mandate to judge what others ability is or is not. Coming across so authoritarian that way simply pushes them farther away from understanding our point of view and makes us look bad. Personally, I believe in the old adage that one can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
Granted I have stopped trying to win any sort of argument. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The mirrors exist. They are where they are supposed to be. The appeared there when they were supposed to appear. They are a fact.
They mirrors alone are sufficiently conclusive evidence to justify simply laughing at anyone who claims man did not go to the moon. And it still has absolutely nothing to do with the topic except for the fact it is yet another conclusive piece of evidence that you are incapable of making evidence based or reality based decisions.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: How many stories have they tried to market? Can you believe that reality suggests that we all are humans and at the end of the day on the same page? OR...is there a group at the top globally who desires to control the masses for "their own good" and who classifies information in order to gain the money and the power to further their own interests? What does the evidence show Phat and what the hell does any of that have to do with the topic?
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
Explain SOUNDS in the Vacuum of space on the moon.
And I do not mean just the hammering. Explain the helmet microphone picking up the SOUND of a tossed piece of equipment landing where there was no air. If you're too scared to watch the whole thing, start your viewing at around 42:40. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KsH2M4m4zM Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
jaywill writes: Explain SOUNDS in the Vacuum of space on the moon.And I do not mean just the hammering. Explain the helmet microphone picking up the SOUND of a tossed piece of equipment landing where there was no air. If you're too scared to watch the whole thing, start your viewing at around 42:40. There is no need or reason for me to even consider those questions because I am not a member of the Christian Cult of Ignorance, Dishonesty and Deception. They are irrelevant to thge issue of whether or not men went to the moon. Sorry but I am not as willfully ignorant as you seem to be. The mirrors exist. The mirrors are on the moon. The mirrors appeared on the moon at the time of the specific flights. There is no explanation of how the mirrors got on the moon in those specific locations except that humans put them there at those specific times. The issue is settled. Man went to the moon not just once but repeatedly. And it still has absolutely nothing to do with the topic except for the fact it is yet another conclusive piece of evidence that you are incapable of making evidence based or reality based decisions and so you must resort to carny tricks and snake oil spiels.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: Basic Forum Guidelines decency prohibits this type of personal attack. You do it to Faith, jaywill, and myself time after time. Are you not intelligent enough (or Christian enough) to argue the position and not the person? Jaywill has argued his case for the doubt regarding honesty between government and people. You evidently trust the government but mistrust the Biblical Christians. We get it. Stop hammering home your personal opinions of us. Sorry but I am not as willfully ignorant as you seem to be. The mirrors exist. The mirrors are on the moon. The mirrors appeared on the moon at the time of the specific flights. There is no explanation of how the mirrors got on the moon in those specific locations except that humans put them there at those specific times. The issue is settled. Man went to the moon not just once but repeatedly. And it still has absolutely nothing to do with the topic except for the fact it is yet another conclusive piece of evidence that you are incapable of making evidence-based or reality-based decisions and so you must resort to carny tricks and snake oil spiels.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: Because you believe that the Bible is entirely the product of man and that there is no evidence that it mentions any end times prophecies except those manufactured by Biblical Christians. We believe (though cannot prove) that the Bible is authored by God through human authors. Further, we argue that the deception, carny sideshow and misdirection is being done by certain elements within government to the public-at-large. It is an extraordinary claim without solid evidence. You provided counter-evidence that the mirrors exist. It is quite enough for you to make your case that the moon landing happened without resorting to personal attacks. Let us all refrain from sinking to that level. ...and what the hell does any of that have to do with the topic?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jaywill writes: As long as I am scolding evryone I may as well include you. To your credit, your Bible Studies are impressive due to the fact that you take so much time making your case and highlighting the relevant scriptures. This behavior is in stark conrast to some of how you come across hammering it out with jar. I get it. We all are human and we do get frustrated in our debates. I get on jar, particularly because he claims so adamantly to be a charter member of a "club Christian" yet shoots himself in the foot with his scathing personal remarks towards others. I don't expect the same behavior from you and urge you to give no place to the enemy in these discussions. I keep abreast of both sides of the debate. Its not as important as eternal salvation You have my full permission to chastise me whenever I exhibit the more carnal aspects of human nature. Iron sharpens iron. Be encouraged. And keep in mind that while everyone is interpreting scriptures and waiting on God to fulfill the destiny, God may well be waiting for us to become sanctified enough to care about.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined:
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Scold you?
I agree with you. I need to get back to the subject. Moving on. dropping the distraction.
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
One more reply to myself on the video link lecture.
quote: William Jefferson Clinton
quote: Twenty five years.
quote: About TEN. Many must have died. The Russians finally wrote it.
quote: It is believed he landed in China badly injured.Before Yuri Gagarin.
quote: Gus Crissom (slated to be the first on the moon) Put a lemon on the space craft to protest that the project was not safe and was flimsy. After his death no astronaut dared ever criticize the Space Program. His son believed foul play was involved in the accident that killed him and two other astronauts. We don't know the whole story. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I talked to my friend. He says the idea is nonsense. He helped build, design, and test the Mars Global Surveyor...so he is qualified to have an opinion.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: You evidently trust the government but mistrust the Biblical Christians. No Phat, I trust conclusions based on evidence and distrust conclusions based on fantasy. And it still has absolutely nothing to do with the topic except for the fact it is yet another conclusive piece of evidence that you like jaywill are incapable of making evidence-based or reality-based decisions and so you must resort to carny tricks and snake oil spiels.
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