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Davidjay
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Message 1 of 59 (804071)
04-05-2017 11:37 PM


I think it would be a great topic of interest, to hear how evolutionists and creationists can explain the fantastic spinal column of chetahs, whereby it keeps their head steady and stationary as they run after their prey. This allowing them to visually have focused sight no matter what terrain they go over.

The two way debate, might give some unique insights as to the difference in explanations of evolutionists and creationists in all the various characteristics and unique traits and structures within the animal kingdom.

ATB

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Message 2 of 59 (804072)
04-06-2017 12:40 AM
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04-05-2017 11:37 PM


Even domestic cats are notoriously flexible
By the way, spelling is "cheetahs".

Why Are Cats So Flexible?

quote:
Cats are so interesting to watch. They have great speed, stride, and can get their bodies into the most cramped spaces, and the most curious positions. There are a few reasons why this is so.

A catís spine can rotate more than the spines of most other animals, and their vertebrae have a special, flexible, elastic cushioning on the disks, which gives it even more flexibility. A flexible spine also contributes to the speed and grace of cats.

When cats run, their backs contract and extend to give them maximum stride. Their shoulder blades are not attached with bone, but with muscle, and this gives a cat even greater extension and speed. It is also the reason why cats can get themselves into tiny spaces, as they can squeeze their shoulders very tightly together.


More at source page.

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Davidjay
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Message 3 of 59 (804073)
04-06-2017 9:31 AM
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04-06-2017 12:40 AM


Re: Even domestic cats are notoriously flexible
No, Im talking about the head stabilization of cheetahs backbones that keeps their heads stabilized, so they can focus their eyesight on prey.

Amazing amazing so called adaptation or gift or multiple mutations, that work.

So the proposed topic is how did this so called special adaptation or gift happen, did their backbones evolve slowly or is there other explanations. Did their eyesight blurrs force it to select a better backbone, so they could catch more prey?

But that is not for us to discuss, it is a proposed NEW topic, that would be easy to elaborate on. The discussion surely also showing how evolutionists differ in their modes of explanation or non explanations. Very important in my opinion.

For even your points of other so called cheetah special unique adaptions or gifts or selected mutations, would make for a very informative discussion.


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Message 4 of 59 (804074)
04-06-2017 11:40 PM
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04-06-2017 9:31 AM


The Cheetah genetic heritage
Cheetah (or cat in general) genetic heritage seems to be a pretty specialized field, such that I'm not at all sure this topic is going to go anywhere. But I will reluctantly promote it.

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Message 5 of 59 (804076)
04-06-2017 11:41 PM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the How did chetahs get their unique spinal cord thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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Davidjay
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Message 6 of 59 (804079)
04-07-2017 12:03 AM
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Re: Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thanks Adminnemooseeus, as your method for new threads seems to be that a OP should post in full their opening arguments, or a summation of what they intend to discuss, or ask so called biological evolutionists to explain.

So now the floor is open, and I invite all brave and educated biological evolutionists to explain how cheetahs got their amazing backbone adaptions or mutations, that magically allowed them to run faster.

But more specifically, how did their backbones flex and compensate
for their movement in chasing after its prey.

What stimulated these mutations or one magical mutation to stabilise their eyesight, so they could focus their eyes on their intended target at such highspeed.

Did the speed induce mutations

Did their eyesight, tell their brains to have mutations

Did their backbone nerves communicate to its DNA that fussiness was leading to fewer and fewer kills

Or were these mutations or mutation just at random and just luckily put together just in time before cheetahs extinction.

Experiences dont alter our DNA, from what I know, but if you know different, then do tell us. Sex cells are differentiated and stored in our testes and ovaries early in embriology development. So are you saying that all these adaptions and miraculous mutations all just happened by chance in our sex cells...... and just happened to give
cheetahs the right kind of backbones for speed, and better eyesight.

I mean the parallels and importance of this principle are massive. Every species has unique adaptions (or instincts or qualities or traits) that creationists understand, but you evolutionists who say you are the true scientists say these all came about by accident, hit and miss, million to one lucky mutations.

So I endeaver to hear your explanation of how cheetahs got their backbones and static vision even at high speed over rough terrain.

Your explanation can then spill over to all of animal kind, unless you have differtent unrelated methods of inducing mutations for different animals or kinds.

So do answer or give your opinion, without name calling and subjectivity .... and just objectively as true scientists searching for truths explain your theoretical ideas of how this adaption came about.

(I just use this example of cheetahs backbone, cause I was watching NatGEO on TV last night and they were discussing it, and showing video footage of how their head stays absolutely still during their running after prey.)

If you abstain from answering, I will assume you have never had to answer questions before on your faith in evolution and have never thought your biological evolution through. So thanks in advance in revealing your inner most thoughts in advance. Much appreciated

IHS

David


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Message 7 of 59 (804088)
04-07-2017 6:42 AM
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04-07-2017 12:03 AM


Re: Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
I'm not really a biological evolutionist, but, could you tell me what advantage the amazing spinal columns of the Cheetahs could have had on the Ark? After all, they didn't really have to run down their prey on the Ark. Were Cheetahs poofed into existence afterwards?

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Message 8 of 59 (804096)
04-07-2017 7:30 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Davidjay
04-05-2017 11:37 PM


I think it would be a great topic of interest, to hear how evolutionists and creationists can explain the fantastic spinal column of chetahs, whereby it keeps their head steady and stationary as they run after their prey.

The head of a running cheetah is not in fact stationary, otherwise it would come off.


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Message 9 of 59 (804108)
04-07-2017 8:59 AM
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04-06-2017 9:31 AM


Re: Even domestic cats are notoriously flexible
Davidjay writes:

No, Im talking about the head stabilization of cheetahs backbones that keeps their heads stabilized, so they can focus their eyesight on prey.
Amazing amazing so called adaptation or gift or multiple mutations, that work.

Most animal have some seemingly amazing adaptation. Watch this chicken hold its head still when you move its body.


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Message 10 of 59 (804115)
04-07-2017 9:32 AM
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04-07-2017 12:03 AM


Not just cheetahs
Cheetahs are not unique in maintaining head position while hunting. The ability to stabilize the eyes is common among predators.

Watch this video, notice that the eyes maintain direction at target and the head follows a very smooth path even though the body twists in at least two axes.

https://biggeekdad.com/2013/10/hawk-in-slow-motion/


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Message 11 of 59 (804116)
04-07-2017 9:34 AM
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04-05-2017 11:37 PM


When it comes to cats, the hyenas were an anachronism in the old days. They look like dogs. Yet, they have retractable claws. One of the ways to classify cats. So, are they cats or dogs? How to classify them?

DNA analyses show that hyenas are more closely related to cats that do dogs. Those retractable claws gave it away in the beginning. And that hyenas are more closely related to Meerkats than to dogs!

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Message 12 of 59 (804117)
04-07-2017 9:39 AM


what unique spinal cord?
I'm still waiting for Davidjay to tell us what is unique about a cheetahs spinal cord.

We get these really off the wall silly assertions from folk like Dj all the time but it seems that regardless of whether they are talking anatomy, physics, the Bible or science all there is are false premises.


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Message 13 of 59 (804138)
04-07-2017 10:32 AM
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04-07-2017 9:39 AM


Re: Confirmation from 14174
Evolutionist get your biology together and study, use the internet for more than religious propaganda. And do write Natational Geographics and the TV producers about their supposed errant cheetah program on its amazing abilities or gifts strsaight from the Lord

14174 confirms that static head stabilization occured in different predators.

So the ability is there, so how did their backbones get this way..
mere lucky mutations that helped them see better and then catch more prey.

Surely their brains didnt mutate afterwards, or demand a mutation. Their experiences, success and failures before this lucky mutation couldnt do it because no experience mutates the testes and ovaries, its all a lucky mutation.... sometimes called a beneficial mutation that supposedly happens every billion mutatio or so.

So come on evolutionists, how did cheetahs get this amazing ability. Simply by a lucky mutation some time when the cheetahs were stalking their prey in the grass, thinking about better vision.

Just give your evolutionary reasoning. Simple question, what does your theory state.

Or just say you have no idea how this miracle happened and how this adaption or gift of clear sight happened.

Remember honesty is tyhe best policy, and is the only way anyone progresses


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Evolution is not science and is pure religion, forced upon the young to ensure their faith in luck and chance rather than mathematics and design.

The Lord created science and all things. Laws did not create themselves. Nothing happened by chance and accident.


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Message 14 of 59 (804139)
04-07-2017 10:33 AM
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04-07-2017 8:59 AM


Re: Even domestic cats are notoriously flexible
Watch this chicken hold its head still when you move its body.

ROTATE YOUR OWL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hBpF_Zj4OA


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Message 15 of 59 (804142)
04-07-2017 10:40 AM


So it looks like it's not so special.

Next question.


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