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Message 26 of 65 (303590)
04-12-2006 4:12 PM

Reply to: Message 5 by Faith
04-12-2006 9:23 AM

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The Reformation was as good as a fundamentalist state and Europe thrived under it.

...except if you were a woman.

...or a Jew.

...or a Muslim.

...or anyone who disagreed with the Christians in power.

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Message 27 of 65 (303594)
04-12-2006 4:26 PM

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04-12-2006 6:15 AM

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I was wondering the other day what would a country turn out like if it became a xian fundementalist state. That is to say that the government would abide by the religious laws and strictures of the bible. Here I include YEC ideology.

Has anyone here read The Handmaid's Tale] by Margaret Atwood?

A synopsis:

A revolution has taken place and the United States has become a dystopia. The Constitution has been abrogated, and a new order has been established: the Republic of Gilead. The Republic of Gilead is ruled through biblical propaganda and rigid enforcement of social roles. Most citizens have been stripped of their freedoms. All religions, except the official state religion, have been suppressed. Those who do not conform to the new societal norms are pressed into service as maids and personal servants or deported to "the colonies" (regions where pollution has reached toxic levels) ” if they are lucky. Political and religious dissidents, abortionists, and homosexuals are executed and hung at "The Wall" for public display. The government has proclaimed martial law due to the destabilizing effect of "hordes of guerrillas" roaming the countryside, although the actual threat from the "guerrillas" may be greatly exaggerated.

Chilling and all too probable, especially given the times we are currently living through.

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Message 28 of 65 (303596)
04-12-2006 4:31 PM

Reply to: Message 20 by ReverendDG
04-12-2006 2:33 PM

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i think a christian state wouldn't work, the bible and christianity as a whole seem agenst intellecualism,

I disagree.

Christianity has, at times, has embraced intellectualism in the highest degree. The Jesuits, for example, have long been stalwart defenders of higher learning.

It is Christian fundamentalism which is anti-intellectual when it comes to intellectual progress.

I think it is wrong to lump all Christians together.

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Message 29 of 65 (303597)
04-12-2006 4:34 PM

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04-12-2006 2:46 PM

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The reason I brought up history is that historically this idea that Christianity is opposed to freedoms or to intellectual work is just plain wrong

Er, women were historically considered chattel in Christianity for quite a long time.

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Message 30 of 65 (303601)
04-12-2006 4:40 PM

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04-12-2006 2:46 PM

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The reason I brought up history is that historically this idea that Christianity is opposed to freedoms or to intellectual work is just plain wrong, so your ideas of what a Christian State would be like are just based on your ignorance of history. Historically obtuse. The Puritans ought to be evidence of that, and the Reformation too for that matter, which liberated all kinds of intellectual work, and the Roman Catholic church as well. Universities were founded by Christians for training Christians.

Did the Puritans belive in "religious freedom" for the Native Indian tribes they tried to convert to Christianity?

Did you know that when it was founded in 1769, the purpose of Dartmouth College was to convert the Native Indians to Christianity?

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