Boy shuns Pledge of Allegiance for Gay Rights

Fuck the church, why should they have a say so?What is it about that institution that makes them above the laws of equal rights?I say, if the church holds marriage ceremonies, then they should honor anyone that wants to get married. If the don't, then fuck 'em, they don't have the right to marry anyone. That who instituted? Why not? What makes the church above the laws of equal rights? Because they claim an invisible man wrote a book that claims certain people shouldn't get married? That's superstitious bullshit, and they have no right to claim it in a modern society.If they perform marriage ceremonies, then they need to be equal to everyone. If not, then the government doesn't recognize their marriages. Because, the "traditional" church marriages want the same rights as the "secular" marriages. Rights that are governed by the state. Therefore, the state has a say so.However, if they want to have mock weddings that are not recognized by the state, then sure, exclude anyone you want. But if the state needs to recognize the marriages, then the church gives up its right to be an independent institution. Clearly you can see how it infringes upon others, right? Aren't homosexuals "others"? Right, but then they don't get to also be equally recognized by the state as being legally married.The state should step up and say, you are excluding a portion of our society who have the same rights as everyone else, so, as long as you do this, your marriage ceremonies are not going to be recognized by us, the state. There is only controversy toward gay marriages because a bunch of idiots are making it an issue. Why should we listen to these fuck heads?Why does anyone give a shit if gay people get married? What difference does that make in anyones life? None, at all, not even a little bit.So the people who are making it an issue should be ignored. And the institutions that exclude people based on sexual preference should not be given any credibility, or allowed to dictate any social policy.It would be like not allowing black people to take part in communion, or something like that. No one would stand for that, why allow them to get away with this? ...and we have decided to change that, because we are society that values progress.Its not between a man and a woman anymore. People are free to be openly gay now (which they weren't before, that is why marriage was between a man and a woman), so fuck the past and lets look toward the future where everyone is included in everything.Why have it any other way?- Oni

I guess I didn't take you as serious as the other guys did. I thought the whole post was hilarious. I agree, I have no problem with it. I can't see how its even relevant in my life.I think I'd have a problem with the sheep though. Thought YOU and RAZD might find the beginning of this video funny, and the rest of the video is funny too (and on topic!):- Oni

I think that's the first time you've made me lol.- Oni

Lets start with this, since I think it exposes the heart of the issue. Ok. So you admit that the other side is discriminating, my suggestion would be the reverse of it. Fine, I retract my suggestion. I agree with you that the other side is discriminating, and it is what I base my argument on.There is an institution, with political affilitation, that is openly discriminating against a group of human beings. This is exactly what the civil rights movement was based on as well. Fine. But that doesn't awared them sole custody of the word "marriage." So then they are allowed to violate equal rights...? Why change the name to civil union? For me to get legally married I went and got a Marriage License, then I signed some papers and I was legally married. To change it to civil union is ridiculous at this point. Really? So its OK for them to discriminate against another group of people because their god said so?That's bullshit. So as long as we credit it to "god," anything goes? Blacks can't get married in my church because my god doesn't like them ... would you be cool with that too?Society looks down on institutions that discriminate for any basis (the Klan, white supremacist, etc.) - why be cool with churches that do this same thing?And its not just small churches, its big churches too. Its church leaders, TV personalities, people with political affiliations.It can't be allowed, not in a progressive society like ours. We ALL conform to the laws of society. We don't allow discrimination, period. Whether you're discriminating because Hilter told you, Stalin told you, or "Almighty God" told you ... its bullshit in any case. Because their beliefs discriminate for no reason.How about this, religions can perform ceremonial unions, but marriage as recognized by the state is for EVERYONE.If they are going to discriminate, then they change the word. Yea, that's what I'm saying. Anything else, other than the justice of the peace is not a marriage. Yea, but one gets "union" cake and the other gets "marriage" cake. Homosexuals are asking to be accepted as normal people, just as blacks were and every other minority has also. Why allow the church the right to discriminate, when we wouldn't allow it done to any other minority? What the hell is a civil union? Its marriage across the board for everyone. Its not "secular" or "religious" - its marriage. And like you suggested, only the justice of the peace can legally marry you.Anything else is not a marriage. As long as you now admit that they're discriminating.- Oni

If the government has allowed you to legally marry someone, you must not be allowed to discriminate.That would be equal to a polling booth only allowing republicans to vote, and openly discriminating against dems.If you're representing the government you can't openly discriminate, even if god tells you; god's laws do NOT supersede state laws, sorry. White power movements are not legally marrying anyone (that I'm aware of). There is only civil marriage. No other marriage exists. The rest is smokes and mirrors to make mom happy.However, if a representative of a church has been allowed by the state to legally marry people, this person cannot discriminate anyone. They must act as the state would act and marry anyone, if not, then they are not allowed to marry anyone and are removed of their right. But this is not happening because the state is not acting on it. Fine, and I agree. Be whatever you want to be. But then they can't marry anyone. They don't get that right. You misunderstand.The state allows people to marry individuals. If you are one of the people the state has allowed to do this, then you are acting as a representative for the state. If this person happens to belong to a church, it is of no importance. Their church beliefs do not supersede the laws. The state would not EVER discriminate toward anyone getting married for any other reason, they can't allow people to discriminate because of sexual orientation.Thus, any individual given the right to marry people must not be allowed to discriminate either. No one would have to protest in this case if the state would just adhere to their own standards. They wouldn't discriminate anyone trying to get married for any other reason, so they should not discriminate based on sexual orientation.And, if the state has allowed certain people to act on their behalf, then these people should adhere to those standards as well.Its not a matter of protesting anything, its simply a matter of practicing equal rights, and making sure anyone representing you is also practicing it as well. The state should make sure those representing it are acting accordingly. Cool, then we are in agreement.- OniBtw, Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.That goes for anyone else reading this, Happy Thanksgiving everyone (sorry Euro people, no turkey for you!).Edited by onifre, : No reason given.Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

Well, if they adhere to the law then I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed. Oh sure, it would be. However, if they adhere to the law, then maybe they should be allowed. I guess. I really don't care at that point. It can be tied to that. But I think the core issue with homosexuals is that they are disriminated against and we should not allow this in our society. There are many ways to combat this, some legal some by protest. And hopefully in the end it will be settled in a morally conscious way. Sure man, I'll take a povo to your people. lolGuess who I'm working at the Miami Improv with this weekend? Bret Ernst!- Oni

He didn't, he was making a point about how some people feel. He clearly stated that.You, who values comprehension so much, should try doing that when reading some of these posts, and not be so quick to reply without understanding what you are replying to. Who cares? If you understood the jist of what he said why harp on his comparison?You are cluttering up the thread with pointless arguments.- Oni