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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
I'm surprised no one else has jumped all over this little jem:
iano writes: ....Whilst I think it is damaging for society and I would prefer that society not be damaged so..... Oh, do tell how two people getting married does a damn thing to society. Giving people equal rights damages society? Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Let me lay it out as linearly as I can - given your problems with iano-speak 1) Lets suppose a child has the right to be brought up by it's biological parents. 2) Let's suppose the State accepts that it cannot micro-manage things so as to guarantee this right, but that it can and does take certain actions which tend towards promoting these rights. 3) Whilst permitting gay couples to adopt orphans cannot be directly linked to a dissolution of the aim of 2) above (the orphan can't be raised by it's biological parents), it forms a Rrhain-like toe in the door. If gays were permitted to adopt orphans, then it's a short push of the toe to ensure gays can adopt full stop. Which has a direct link to dissolution of 2) above. Does the States refusal to permit this mean gays are prevented from co-habiting and raising one or others kids? No. But like I say, the State's job isn't 'micro-manage to guarantee'. The States job is to takes what steps it can to support a desired outcome. By your rationale, we should abolish adoption all together. Really, tell us all how growing up in a same-sex household effects a child negatively.
Fair enough. Somehow I can't see why his being adopted could be much hindered were it that gay couples were not permitted to adopt. Because by allowing same-sex couples the opportunity to adopt, you are adding more people to the pool of possible parent-applicants.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
If a gay couple is permitted to adopt an orphan, is there any reason to refuse them permission to adopt a non-orphan? Nope. Why should there be? you have yet to provide a valid reason to deny homo-sexual couples the same rights as hetero-sexual couples. The only logic you have shown can be applied to both.
In promoting surrogacy, you are dissolving the right of a child to be raised by its biological parents. This is it right here. Dissolve surrogacy all together.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
That I translate a rational into humanistic-sounding terms such as "the rights of a child to be raised by it's biological parents" doesn't alter the substance of my believing that such was Gods intention in his establishing the family unit and that the rights being invoked for the child here are, ultimately, God given. This sums it up. You are hiding your beliefs behind a facade of lies (how very christ-like of you). Take your religion out of the equation, and your're standing with your pants down in front of the whole class, left with only ignorance and shame. Admit it: it's not about the kids. It's YOUR belief that homosexuals are an abomination. You're an ignorant bigot. If I can:
Chevy Chase writes: Jane, you ignorant slut. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
You can't have gays married with the current definition of marriage. I beg to differ:
Definition of marriage marriage[ mrrij ]marriages Plural NOUN1. legal relationship between spouses: a legally recognized relationship, established by a civil or religious ceremony, between two people who intend to live together as sexual and domestic partners 2. specific marriage relationship: a married relationship between two people, or a somebody's relationship with his or her spouse "They have a happy marriage." 3. joining in wedlock: the joining together in wedlock of two people 4. marriage ceremony: the ceremony in which two people are joined together formally in wedlock 5. union of two things: a close union, blend, or mixture of two things "Civilization is based on the marriage of tradition and innovation." 6. card games king and queen of same suit: in card games such as pinochle and bezique, a combination of the king and queen of the same suit [ 13th century. < French mariage < marier (see marry) ] Where does that exclude homosexuals? Maybe in the religious definition of "marriage" or the biblical term, but not the term in general. Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people -Carl Sagan For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.-Carl Sagan
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Touche'. I didn't even know that existed.
Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people -Carl Sagan For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.-Carl Sagan
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Reading further on in the Wikipedia article you provided, it appears that this particular act/bill has been deemed to be unconstitutional, but no judge has wanted to see it in court.
Just by reading the first 3 lines, I deemed it unconstitutional. for the government to redefine marriage? On what grounds to they determine that it is only between a man and a woman? Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people -Carl Sagan For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.-Carl Sagan
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
But the law is not treating anyone differently, it applies equally to all. Unless you happen to be the group it DOES apply to. Like the same sex couples who want to get married. This law has absolutely no bearing on *straight* couples. So, no, it does not apply equally to all. Unless by all, you mean all homo-sexuals? Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people -Carl Sagan For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.-Carl Sagan
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Lewt me rephrase this for you:
CS writes: They specifically outlawed certain marriages based on race hooah212002's reinterpretation writes: They specifically outlawed certain marriages based on sexual orientation See how that works?
She went full-fledged lesbian. Its apparent to me that poeple's sexual orientation can change. Really? Here, in Message 205, you say:
I knew a girl in highschool who dumped my good friend and became a lesbian. She moved in with her girlfriend and they we're in love and the whole deal. Now she's married to some other guy and has 2 kids. how is she a "full fledged lesbian" if she is now married? Sounds like an experiment to me. Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people -Carl Sagan For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.-Carl Sagan
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Straight people are not allowed to marry people the same sex either... Yes, because you know how many straight people who wish to marry someone of the same sex? I didn't think so. Then they wouldnt exactly be defined as being "straight" would they? I certainly hope this is your attempt at playing devils advocate...... Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people -Carl Sagan For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.-Carl Sagan
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Complete Strangers Married in Florida to Protest for Gay Rights
Brian Feldman and Hannah Miller, two Orlando-area residents and complete strangers, were married last Friday. Feldman, a performance artist, put out a call to any ladies who wanted to take part in the project on Facebook. Three showed up, and he spun a water bottle to decide which one with which he would enter into holy matrimony. Ah, the sanctity of a traditional marriage. Edited by hooah212002, : wrong word Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people-Carl Sagan For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.-Carl Sagan |
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