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Author Topic:   Dawkins and "The Great Tim Tebow Fallacy" (re: pro-life advertisement)
Blue Jay
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Message 14 of 167 (545670)
02-04-2010 7:19 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by AnswersInGenitals
02-04-2010 6:45 PM


Re: Religion meets reality.
Hi, AiG.
AnswersInGenitals writes:
These [eggs] number about 200,000 to 300,000 eggs and all form in the seventh and eighth month of gestation. During their approximately 30 fecund years they will release only about 400 of these eggs for potential fertilization, so over 99.9% of the eggs are "wasted".
Technically, it's 99.8% to 99.87% of the eggs are "wasted."
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AnswersInGenitals writes:
When a woman gives birth to identical twin boys or girls, she is said to have two sons or daughters. This is not accurate. She has a son and a grandson or a daughter and a granddaughter.
Technically, then, I could also say that only the zygote (the first embryonic cell) is the woman's son or daughter, and all the rest of the cells in the child's body are not.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
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Blue Jay
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Message 39 of 167 (546065)
02-08-2010 1:26 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by AnswersInGenitals
02-06-2010 3:48 PM


Re: Religion meets reality.
Hi, AiG.
AiG writes:
...this definition [of "daughter"] specifies "daughter" to be the entire descendent entity, not just the first descendent cell produced (with the exception of single celled life forms).
Any way you go with this, you're splitting hairs. Asexual reproduction is messy. Monozygotic twins aren't formed by budding, but by fission. As such, neither resulting embryo really came before the other, so neither can be considered the parent of the other.
So, it would be more accurate to call them both "grand-daughters," with the "daughter" being no longer existent.
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AiG writes:
It leads to the concept of all of humanity, from its earliest members to the present, as a form of integrated ooze on the face of the earth. It is estimated that the total number of humans that have ever been born is about 100 billion. Each human has approximately 100 trillion cells. Thus, this ooze reproduces almost exclusively by asexual binary fission with only an infrequent incidence of horizontal gene transfer- at an substantially rate than the incidence of gene transfer observed in bacteria.
First, did you mean to say "...substantially lower rate..." or "...substantially higher rate..."? You kind of skipped a word there.
Second, it does kind of turn into a bizarre worldview, doesn't it? Factor in organ transplants and chimeras, and you turn normal, everyday humans into something really creepy!
To me, this is what makes abortion such a confusing thing: like everything in religion, it's just about drawing a line and asserting that the line actually represents an important distinction. It's confusing enough to me that I don't think it's appropriate for one specific opinion on the subject to dominate.
That's kind of the whole point behind the "pro-choice" argument, isn't it?

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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