Dawkins and "The Great Tim Tebow Fallacy" (re: pro-life advertisement)

Hyroglyphics writes: The average egg with coitus only works about 1/3 of the time (I'll defer to Straggler's 70% from a better source).Let's see: 14-50, or about 36 years X 13 (full moons) = 468 shots at best. But (you agree?) most of these are lost in The Curse ("only women bleed"), so our problem is how many times - when the Catholic Method is ready, does it actually work? On average, I'll take Straggler's 30%, given the market for Fertilization clinics & even such weird things as Viagra.BUT
But there's a bigger issue here.I object to Onifre's characterization of a "lump of cells".The issue is when the fetus becomes a person. Because, as we all learned from Dr. Suess, a person's a person, no matter how small.For this I would (as others have done) refer to RAZD's definition of Alive or Dead. This is CLEARLY well after conception. It is also clearly well before the baby is born.It is not a "lump of cells", it is not a parasitical tumorous thing. It is mostly an instruction set & materials for building a person up until some point. Now, given the Gaussian distribution of just about everything - and the current inability to detect "personhood" of when the fetus shows it, we have to be on the "safe" side and, for now, use the current law, as it evolves through the years.BTW, on another completely different issue, I think a mother should be able to terminate pregnancy up to 21 years. (He didn't really say that, did he?)

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- xongsmith, 5.7d

I would say that - in a nutshell - the problem of just about everything we have as a society, and even individually, ultimately boils down to the fact that there are already way too many people on the planet.Parenthetically i would add that anti-abortionist, the established churches and the rightwingnuts are only exacerbating the situation by insisting that every life possibility be encouraged (forgetting the follow-up social costs). It is as if they think that the more babies we have before the Rapture, the more fun it will be up in that damned thing they call Heaven.Fuck them. They live in a fantasy world. Let's take a cool look down here on planet Earth. The human species, aside from running roughshod over everything in it's path, has never taken a real good look at the damage it does. Maybe Celine was right, the best thing a human can do is die, but I dont think so. I still think we can all figure this out (silly me).

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- xongsmith, 5.7d