Has The Supernatural Hypothesis Failed?

Yes, Buz, you're right. You caught them. Now drink some hot tea and relax, it's time for your nap old man.- Oni

Maybe so, but at least they use evidence instead of bronze aged myths the the creos use.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

I know. I know. It's terrible. After the tragic failures of successfully predicting all manner of since observed physical phenomenon you would think we would have learnt not to give any credence at all to those pesky mathematical models.The fact that most of modern physics has followed this method of discovery should in no way be taken into account. Of course.

Heh. You like that term, predicting when it comes to supporting the secularist premisis to the secularistic hypothesis. However when successful predictions of events are verified by history and present observations, secularists disallow them all.Secularists are fine with discarding the observable laws of our universe so as to teach and propagate in academia. The likelihood of multiple universes defys the only observable laws we know, that of our universe.Yet you deny that a tiny nation of people dispersed globally after nearly two thousand years, returning to become a nation, having not being integrated into the nationalities of the host nations, is significant. You have the audacity to deduce that the supernatural hypothesis has failed, all the while denying every bit of the evidence already posted in the EvC archives which is supportive to the supernatural hypothesis.You secularists blatantly discard and deny the Exodus evidence cited, including aired videos, yet your secularist marine explorers decline to do their own research in the region so as to either debunk or verify the evidence presented.If a jawbone or hipbone were discovered in the Nuweiba Aqaba depths which may contribute to the ToE, rest assured, their research ships and divers would be on it like piranha killer fish on a chunk of meat. Edited by Buzsaw, : reword statements

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Jones, when the math defys the foundational laws of physics observable in our universe, count me out. I go with the observable laws, observable fulfilled predictions, verifiable historical records and data like that.Magicians, hucksters, gamblers, extortionists and the like are more into numbers games.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Now you are just ranting Buz.When the worldwide conspiracy to suppress the creationist truth emerges, as it surely will, you get to tell us all "I told you so".Until that happy day.........

Please describe just how the math defys the foundational laws of physics, show your work.

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soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
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Because it appears that the math, which, as I understand what was alleged, is supportive to the multiple universe hypothesis which BB science ascribes to.My response related to the claim that the laws of physics observed in our universe may not apply to other universes.The problem still remains that more universes imply an outside of our universe and that there is a between universes. Imo, applying unknown laws of physics to explain that problem is even more absurd than explaining the supernatural hypothesis. There is a lot more sensible evidence for the a higher level of intelligence than that of humans than for the multiple uiverse claim.If anything has failed, it's the multiple universe hypothesis; not the supernatural.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

And how does this defy the foudantional laws of physics? Show your work. Just as a reminder Buz we're talking about physics here and therefore math is gonna be involved.

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It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

1) Why would you assume that this "higher level of intelligence," if it even exists, is supernatural?2) Why would you assume that this "higher level of intelligence," if it even exists, has anything to do with any deities dreamed up by earthly shamans?Please provide evidence, not belief, in your answer.

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Not simply ascribe Buz. Learn meanings and terms.The evidence points to the existence of other dimensions and perhaps universes.BUT, science goes one step further. Over the next five years or so Science will be looking for the particles that are predicted by the math.That is the difference. Science actually supplies evidence to support such things and tests to see if there is support.In fact, my computers help in that search by crunching numbers from the experiments being run at the Large Hadron Collider. the problem is that unlike the observations from the Large Hadron Collider, you have yet to present any math, and observations, any evidence for the super-natural.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Now if only physicists knew that. You'd think they'd know that. After all, anything you know about physics which is actually true must be known to them, what with them knowing about physics and you not haveing studied the subject.Hmm ... are you getting a feeling of cognitive dissonance?

How about you jar. Do you consider the supernatural to be evidenced in any way? You have previously cited the existence of myths and stories to be indicative of the actual existence of the supernatural. Why is the actual existence of something supernatural the best explanation (or even an explanation that should be given any credence at all) for the recorded fact of human belief in such things? What doe the evidence suggest regarding the source of supernatural myths and stories?

Not true, I have said that existence of myths and stories to can be evidence that can be used to judge the likelihood or unlikelihood of some God(s) or god(s) and as a basis for someones belief in that(those) God(s) or god(s). When there is evidence, for example in stories or fables, those accounts are evidence and a reasonable, rational decision may be made by an individual based on that evidence related to what that individual believes. We are talking about beliefs Straggler, not the actual critter(s). What does the actual existence of some critter have to do with belief in such a critter? Myths and Stories are human creations.Edited by jar, : to ---> can

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

So do you consider the supernatural to be evidenced in any way? Or not? No. In this thread we are talking about the "actual critter(s)". Specifically as explanations for known phenomenon. Known phenomenon such as human myths and stories. Well I would say nothing. I would say that myths and stories are evidence of human belief in the supernatural. Nothing more.It is you who seems to be citing myths and stories as evidence of the the actual existence of the supernatural. Is that evidence in the gods themselves? Or simply belief? Please be explicit. Obviously. But are they indicative of the actual existence of the supernatural? That is the question here.