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Author Topic:   A Test for Intelligent Design Proponents
bkelly
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Message 81 of 115 (264581)
11-30-2005 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Faith
11-28-2005 3:38 PM


14th overturns 1st?

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Faith writes:
The fourteenth amendment was either badly worded, is wrongly interpeted itself, or unconstitutional in itself as it effectively reversed the intention of the first amendment.
1st amendment writes:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
The 14th has five parts, but the only one that seems relevant here is the first. The quote is from: 14th Amendment | U.S. Constitution | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
14th amendment 1st section writes:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
I don't understand why you say the 14th reverses the 1st. Please enlighten me.
This message has been edited by AdminNWR, 11-30-2005 07:57 PM

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bkelly
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Message 82 of 115 (264585)
11-30-2005 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Faith
11-30-2005 1:27 PM


Of honesty and dishonesty
Faith writes:
But of course it's creationism as far as much of the scientific thinking goes so why shouldn't a textbook be easily adapted to express their views? What's dishonest about that?
I wish to agree with TimChase in slightly different words.
Of course it’s dishonest. The teaching of Creationism was declared in violation of the constitution because it was trying to teach religion in public schools. ID is nothing but warmed over Creationism in weak attempt to pretend it is not about god. As I recall many phrases from creationism were found in ID as word for word identical.
It is dishonest because they a trying to promote what was declared wrong by making a few technical changes while it fundamentally retains the same meaning.
ID says goddidit by saying (someone_supernatural_and_magical_but_we_don't_know_who)didit. Then claims its not saying goddidit.
I claim that creationists and IDest are both dishonest. They both want religion taught in public schools. But neither will fess up to that and recognize that they are in contradiction to the constitution. They are knowingly trying to circumvent the constitution via the back door rather that facing the differences and openly challenging the constitution.

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