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Author Topic:   Science, Religion, God – Let’s just be honest
Raphael
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Message 8 of 174 (715586)
01-07-2014 3:36 PM


I thought this was an interesting read. Will post a more thorough response when time allows

  
Raphael
Member (Idle past 493 days)
Posts: 173
From: Southern California, United States
Joined: 09-29-2007


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Message 31 of 174 (715655)
01-08-2014 5:11 AM


Some Things I Noticed
I am intrigued by you, scienceishonesty. GDR and jar seem to have it covered here, but I did notice some things I thought I'd input, all starting with a single question:
What is your purpose here?
Or perhaps I should begin with the reason why I love this forum. I'm here because I enjoy a community in which I can be part of an ongoing dialogue. This dialogue is indeed ongoing, since if it was not sites like this would not exist. I love the fact that I can "log on," debate and converse with different people, holding totally opposite positions from myself, but do all of that in a respectful manner. And I think that's what I'm getting at.
I mean no disrespect dude, but your OP is, as GDR stated earlier, one giant straw man assault. It is clear that you once believed something, now you do not, and therefore attack your previous beliefs with what appears to be condescension, even hatred at points. Examples like these come to mind:
scienceishonesty writes:
- Here comes what might be a very unsettling surprise for many...
- What a colossal waste of time and energy and life!
- I believe that religion is purely sinister at its core
- ...religion is the antithesis of truth, it is the very opposite of honesty
- - So why do so many people waste their time with a bunch of made up teachings and rules
- it is simply self-delusion.
- Religion lies to those who serve it, it is a machine of control that was invented by humans to mentally enslave others too ignorant to think for themselves outside of the box.
The list literally goes on and on. I don't see any attempt to dialogue and respect the beliefs of others, rather what I read is a specifically targeted attack stemming from negative personal experience. Not trying to judge or box you in, that is just what it appears to be.
You also repeatedly assume my experience, as a Christian, is your experience, and my beliefs are the same as your old ones, like here:
- If all of us never asked ourselves the honest questions and found our religion too comfortable to question..
- Of course, the Christian looks at something like...
- I've already been in your camp, it's called blinding yourself to reality.
- The Christian knows for a fact...
Perhaps for you, being a Christian ment blinding yourself to reality. That actually makes a lot of sense because Christianity is good at doing that. That's humanity. But to assume just because your Christian experience and thought process went a specific way that mine does the same doesn't make very much sense.
Something else I noticed is that while your title, "Science, Religion, God - Let's Just be Honest" seems to be speaking on religion as a whole, your content specifically targets the Christian religion, despite your attempts to make it appear otherwise.
All of this to say: What you're saying has some merit and value to it, but as a Christian I feel less inclined to listen to what you have to say because of the disrespectful tone in which it is written. As someone who holds contrary views to many on this site (not trying to sound like a martyr, just reality), there is much I don't agree with here. But you will still find respect oozing from these typed words because I believe respect breeds respect. Try starting there, and you may be less frustrated, and perhaps even generate some positive vibes And everyone loves positive vibes! They're the best kind!
Regards!
- Raph

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