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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
I'm not happy with "forcing" people to be immunized just because they're breathing - even if it's the only way to keep them breathing. If they want to die, let 'em die.
However, I have no problem with requiring people to be immunized before they qualify for jobs where they're in contact with the public - health services, food services, Wal-mart, plumbing, etc. If they want to infect other people, sorry, no.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
DrJones* writes:
I'm not particularly happy with people inflicting their stupidity on their children either (though I suppose that can't be avoided in one form or another). No public schools without vaccinations (and no accreditation for private schools that don't require vaccinations), no sports teams, no extracurricular activities of any kind.... There are a lot of loopholes to be filled.
Yes they should be allowed to be stupid and to inflict their stupidity on their children....
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Omni writes:
If people think ahead that their children won't be able to get a job, I think that will motivate them.
The problem with linking vaccinations with employment, public schools, public building access, etc., is that it would simply not do the job. The employment approaches would miss children altogether.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
I'm saying maybe there should be. We have silly things like work permits for people who were unfortunate enough to be born somewhere else. Why not have work permits for sensible reasons too?
First there are no laws preventing people from working as long as they are not sick... NoNukes writes:
As I said, there are a lot of loopholes. Let's plug all of them.
... and secondly those laws wouldn't affect the children at an early enough age to help us out.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
How is protecting your citizens at home "less reach" than invading somebody two continents over? Talk about a crazy extension of "not in my back yard".
Because we don't want the government to have the reach necessary to pull off such a feat?
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
If the people have no sense when it comes to government, how can you expect them to have any sense when it comes to vaccination?
Instead I'll just say that regardless of the any inconsistency you find in our overseas interference, I don't want the government in my jock.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
I too want the government to have limited power but I want that power to be used for sensible purposes. Instead of keeping healthy people out of the country, I'd like to see them keep sick people out of public areas. One way to do that is by limiting access to unvaccinated people.
I think it is entirely reasonable for me to want the federal and state governments to have limited power.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
Of course perfection is impossible. But as somebody else has pointed out, the more people who are vaccinated the harder it is for a disease to spread. You don't have to take out every domino to prevent a domino effect. You only have to widen the gaps.
It actually turns out to be impossible to exclude unvaccinated people from every public place.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
The period isn't a signal to stop reading. Here's the rest of the post again:
Perfection in this case is less than 100% of the public vaccinated, because for some people cannot be vaccinated, and we won't exclude them from public places. We cannot even strive for that.quote:Have you noticed the term "critical mass" in this thread? We don't need to strive for 100%. We only need to strive for "enough".
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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NoNukes writes:
And the fact that we don't currently have enough suggests that we need to do something more than nothing.
And the fact that we only need enough means that we can use methods that only result in enough.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
What isn't clear is what you think we ought to do next. You seem to be arguing against everything that anybody suggests.
We disagree about what more we ought to do next. Surely that's clear.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
The only thing I've argued for is mandatory vaccinations for people taking advantage of public programs. Maybe I have a wider view of what constitutes "public" than you do.
The only thing I've argued against is mandatory vaccinations not tied to something like taking advantage of a public program.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
Maybe you can point out somebody on this thread that you agree with.
Then you've spotted the boundaries of our disagreement. Perhaps now you can stop saying that I disagree with everything.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
I haven't said anything about casting aspersions.
... I don't believe I've cast any aspersions on people who feel differently. NoNukes writes:
Nor have I asked for an apology. I simply pointed out that you seem to be poking holes in {almost} every suggestion without offering (m)any constructive suggestions yourself. Am I supposed to apologize for holding a minority opinion? Not going to do it. Edited by ringo, : Splling.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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ProtoTypical writes:
You have the right to be wrong. You don't have the right to do wrong. Your right to self-determination ends at the tip of somebody else's self-determination.
Don't we have the right to be wrong and isn't this the cost of self-determination?
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