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Author Topic:   Is it time to consider compulsory vaccinations?
Tanypteryx
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Message 709 of 930 (762359)
07-11-2015 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 706 by Faith
07-11-2015 11:41 AM


Re: It's the Safety Song and Dance that raises suspicion
Faith writes:
As I said and keep saying, y'all are going to have to recognize the problems if you want me to take anything you say seriously.
I cannot imagine that anyone posting on this topic cares whether you take anything seriously.
Personally, I am simply amazed at all the things you do take seriously. It boggles my mind.
Meanwhile, I will not be dying from any of the diseases that can be prevented by vaccines and neither will my daughter or my grandchildren, or my nieces and nephews.
And none of us, along with millions and millions of other people have suffered any ill effects from the vaccines or infected other people with those diseases.
And unvaccinated children in California and hopefully soon in the rest of the country will not be infecting children who cannot be vaccinated in schools and daycare.
In my opinion, parents who refuse to vaccinate their children should be charged with murder if their child dies of a preventable disease or infects another child that dies.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 711 of 930 (762363)
07-11-2015 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 710 by Faith
07-11-2015 12:24 PM


Re: It's the Safety Song and Dance that raises suspicion
You're welcome.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 714 of 930 (762369)
07-11-2015 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 710 by Faith
07-11-2015 12:24 PM


Re: It's the Safety Song and Dance that raises suspicion
Faith writes:
If either of them suffered autism
That will not happen because vaccines do not cause autism.
or other injury from a vaccine after being forced into it by the state I'm suing the state.
They are not being forced into it by the state. They cannot attend school without vaccinations.
And maybe suing you too for your evil advice.
You will be welcome to try, but you will lose, because I did not offer any advice, evil or otherwise.
What I think is evil is wishing your opponents in a debate would have their children suffer ill effects from a vaccine while you claim to be a Christian.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 726 of 930 (762396)
07-11-2015 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 718 by Dogmafood
07-11-2015 4:21 PM


Re: It's the Safety Song and Dance that raises suspicion
ProtoTypical writes:
Right because losing their child wouldn't be nearly bad enough. So then having found them to be baby killers it follows that they should be executed yes?
So You don't think parents should be responsible for the health of their children? Execution? You don't sound rational.
How about parents of children who get drunk and kill themselves or someone else?
Did the parents give them the booze?
What if a child accidentally poisons themself?
I would consider a parent who leaves poison where children have access to it to be negligent, what about you?
Maybe I will stop arguing for the right to be included in this risk free utopian society y'all got planned.
Maybe you live in some strange society that doesn't think parents have a responsibility for the safety of their children. No one is asking you to be included in a risk free utopian society, but in the society that we do live in we all have responsibilities for the privilege of being a member of that society.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 727 of 930 (762398)
07-11-2015 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 725 by Dogmafood
07-11-2015 5:38 PM


Re: It's the Safety Song and Dance that raises suspicion
Don't they execute people for murder in Oregon?
The last governor ordered a moratorium on executions and the new governor has not ruled them out. The past governor (Kitzhaber) made the decision when a prisoner was demanding execution.
Since the death penalty was reinstated in Oregon in 1978, two people have been executed. One in 1996 and the second in 1997. Both waived their appeals and asked that the execution be carried out.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 731 of 930 (762402)
07-11-2015 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 730 by Dogmafood
07-11-2015 8:15 PM


Re: It's the Safety Song and Dance that raises suspicion
ProtoTypical writes:
Of course I do but I don't think that they should be charged with murder if their child should die from something that is preventable.
That is not what I said. I was very specific about parents who intentionally put their children at risk from preventable diseases by not getting them vaccinated.
Tanypteryx writes:
In my opinion, parents who refuse to vaccinate their children should be charged with murder if their child dies of a preventable disease or infects another child that dies.
I get it. You disagree with me. You bring up the death penalty, kids getting drunk, and toothypaste, none of which has any connection to anti-vaxers and disease and I am not going to argue with you about that BS. Get someone else to play knock the chip off my shoulder.
Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 736 of 930 (762407)
07-11-2015 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 733 by Faith
07-11-2015 8:50 PM


Re: It's the Safety Song and Dance that raises suspicion
Faith writes:
YOU are the one who said parents should be charged with murder who choose against vaccinating their children, so why are you playing dumb about that?
No, what I said was:
In my opinion, parents who refuse to vaccinate their children should be charged with murder if their child dies of a preventable disease or infects another child that dies.
And I don't understand what you mean about playing dumb about it.
Faith writes:
You all may disagree profoundly with this choice, and think it profoundly wrong or crazzzy of us to make it, but there is no need for this punitive attitude, this accusation of evil motives or selfishness, if you'd just respect that other people have different opinions from your own and you aren't the arbiter of all truth.
I stated my opinion that I think parents who let their children or other children die because of their overt negligence in not vaccinating their children should be held accountable. In our society adults are not allowed to cause the death of a child without consequences.
I make no claim as being an arbiter of truth and neither are you.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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