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Author Topic:   Is it time to consider compulsory vaccinations?
Bliyaal
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Message 532 of 930 (761847)
07-06-2015 9:18 AM
Reply to: Message 530 by Faith
07-06-2015 9:12 AM


Tell us one thing Faith. Why can't we just discard your movie as lies like you did for every references people offered you?

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Bliyaal
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Message 534 of 930 (761849)
07-06-2015 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 531 by Faith
07-06-2015 9:17 AM


Why penalize the healthy ones?
For the simple fact that they made the choice to represent a risk for public health.

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Bliyaal
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Message 535 of 930 (761850)
07-06-2015 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 533 by Faith
07-06-2015 9:22 AM


You know we could say the exact same things about you and the movie right?
Why don't you stop calling people liars and discuss the evidence instead?

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Bliyaal
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Message 539 of 930 (761854)
07-06-2015 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 536 by Faith
07-06-2015 9:29 AM


Please show me where I called someone a crackpot or retract.
You know we don't debate links. Give us real concrete examples that we can examine. It's not our job to do your research. "Go read/watch/listen on the Internet" isn't evidence. Take an example from your movie, give us the details and links where we can read about it and maybe then you would have something. Until then, you only have assertions.

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Bliyaal
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Message 545 of 930 (761860)
07-06-2015 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 542 by Faith
07-06-2015 9:40 AM


On an issue like this I would just hope somebody might have enough of an inkling that the dissenters are rational and honest to be interested in discovering more on your own.
Or maybe I just go with the overwhelming majority of health professionnals until a dissenter present a strong case in his favor. Your line of thinking sounds a lot like the "teach the controversy" argument.
OK if you haven't called anyone a crackpot I take it back but those who are on your side make that accusation all the time.
Association fallacy

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Bliyaal
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Message 566 of 930 (761915)
07-06-2015 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 563 by Faith
07-06-2015 1:14 PM


Where's my ACME Irony Detector? Oh yeah... everywhere 'cause it exploded.
Courtesy is sometimes earned. This case is a good example. Give yours please.

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Bliyaal
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Message 594 of 930 (761979)
07-07-2015 8:04 AM
Reply to: Message 591 by Faith
07-07-2015 6:21 AM


Re: autism studies
The very idea of intentionally putting any kind of mercury into my body, except unavoidably and sparingly in otherwise good food, is horrifying, and nothing anybody could possibly say could justify it.
How can you trust yourself on the issue of what should go into your body? A couple of post ago, in Message 475, you were ranting about sodium bicarbonate in vaccines.

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Bliyaal
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Message 596 of 930 (761985)
07-07-2015 8:31 AM
Reply to: Message 595 by Faith
07-07-2015 8:06 AM


Re: autism studies
Continued in Message 478:
You're OK then with injecting all this alien stuff straight. You guys are NOT trhinking.
Yup, total misreading.

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Bliyaal
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Message 610 of 930 (762027)
07-07-2015 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 607 by Faith
07-07-2015 3:03 PM


Re: The arrogance of the biased know-it-alls
The real problem here isn't the lack of evidence or any such thing, it's the arrogance of the supposedly "rational" or "scientifically minded" doubters who put themselves above others.
No, the real problem here is people like you who don't see the difference between anecdotal evidence and statistical analysis based on a large ammount of data. Nobody ever said that vaccines are 100% safe, no treatment whatsoever ever will by the way. Did you bother to read the abstracts posted by JonF?
the benefits of measles vaccination far outweigh the risks even in countries with low incidence of measles and high rates of measles vaccine coverage
Comprehensive analysis of the reported adverse reactions established that serious events causally related to MMR vaccine are rare and greatly outweighed by the risks of natural MMR diseases.
When sane people decide what to do, they usually try to choose the best scenario. On the other hand, you're choosing the worst! Congratulations?

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Bliyaal
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Message 648 of 930 (762140)
07-09-2015 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 632 by Faith
07-09-2015 2:58 AM


Re: autism studies
The blitz treatment has included a barrage of emails on every angle of the anti-vaccination side of the debate, plus that movie. It didn't take long to persuade me over to their side.
That's because you don't ask yourself the right questions.
Time to put it frankly : Why do you prefer more deaths and suffering (no vaccination) over less deaths and suffering (mandatory vaccination)?

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Bliyaal
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Message 651 of 930 (762150)
07-09-2015 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 650 by Dogmafood
07-09-2015 10:53 AM


I suppose that you think homeless people take unfair advantage of garbage collection services because they pay no property tax and yet enjoy the benefits of clean neighbourhoods.
A better example would be someone throwing garbage in the streets while enjoying a clean neighbourhood.

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Bliyaal
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Message 664 of 930 (762201)
07-09-2015 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 662 by Faith
07-09-2015 2:57 PM


Re: autism studies
I'm convinced vaccines contain poisons that for some reason don't harm everyone
So it all boils down to this : In the face of absence of evidence for your side, you're left with a worldwide conspiracy theory.
You should be concerned that you often seems to be on the wrong side when dealing with reality.

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Bliyaal
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From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada
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Message 693 of 930 (762271)
07-10-2015 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 674 by Faith
07-09-2015 4:21 PM


not interested in checking out research in favor of the safety of vaccines. If it's legit, fine, but some isn't
Don't you see the glaring contradiction?
How would you know that "some isn't" if you're not interested in checking out the research about vaccines' safety?
Obscures websites, fearmongering and anecdotes are not reliable research despite what you think.

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Bliyaal
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Message 851 of 930 (762643)
07-14-2015 9:48 AM
Reply to: Message 842 by Faith
07-14-2015 8:34 AM


Everyone except you saw them as links at first glance. Maybe you just didn't want to see them.

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Bliyaal
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From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada
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Message 895 of 930 (762740)
07-15-2015 1:11 AM
Reply to: Message 894 by PaulK
07-15-2015 1:03 AM


Re: Innocent Observation ?
May I add : What "evil"?

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