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Author Topic:   Exploring (mostly Cultural) Marxism in today's Left
Faith
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Message 361 of 381 (814531)
07-10-2017 5:18 PM
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07-10-2017 4:39 PM


Re: Just another leftist smear campaign
"Pushing the claims of Cultural Marxism" makes no sense. Cultural Marxist is the LEFT for pete's sake. And all the conservatives I know complain constantly about multiculturalism, accusations of racism and Islamophobia and homophobia, which are all straight out of Cultural Marxism. So much for "nobody else does." You don't know what you are talking about, haven'/t a clue, just like the idea of smearing all us conservatives as Nazis, which is another tip from the Cultural Marxist playbook, via such luminaries as Saul Alinsky. All Cultural Marxism amounts to in the end is namecalling. Call us Nazis, call us white supremacists, call us racists, call us Islamophobes. The concentration camps are for us these days you see; You're the real Nazis, the real fascists. Open your eyes.l
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jar
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Message 362 of 381 (814537)
07-10-2017 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 361 by Faith
07-10-2017 5:18 PM


Faith posts yet another absurdity
Faith writes:

The concentration camps are for us these days you see; You're the real Nazis, the real fascists. Open your eyes.l

More proof of a total disconnect from reality.

Please show one single concentration camp that has been set up by today's left!

Can't do it can you?

Edited by jar, : appalin spallin so ---> show


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Faith
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Message 363 of 381 (814541)
07-10-2017 5:35 PM
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07-10-2017 5:30 PM


jar commits another stupendous fallacy
Oh gosh, another logic failure by jar. How tedious. The point is to identify you as the fascists, and fascists are the ones who put their opponents in concentration camps. I don't have to know about such camps, they may or may not exist...yet, but when they do it will be YOUR team that puts MY team into them.
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Message 364 of 381 (814549)
07-10-2017 6:04 PM
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07-10-2017 5:35 PM


Re: jar commits another stupendous fallacy
Faith writes:

Oh gosh, another logic failure by jar. How tedious. The point is to identify you as the fascists, and fascists are the ones who put their opponents in concentration camps. I don't have to know about such camps, they may or may not exist...yet, but when they do it will be YOUR team that puts MY team into them.

We understand you keep saying such things, you might even believe such things, but again, the reality is that there is no evidence of today's left ever suggesting anything like concentration camps nor is there any way to label the left as fascist without you being completely dishonest.

Words actually have meaning Faith even though you often seem to want to deny that fact.

No honest or educated person could ever call the left fascist without showing utter, complete and total willful ignorance or complete dishonesty.


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Faith
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Message 365 of 381 (814553)
07-10-2017 6:17 PM
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07-10-2017 6:04 PM


Re: jar commits another stupendous fallacy
Oh we've all known you're the fascists for decades now. Reagan knew it, we all know it. Except the fascists themselves. Of course.
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JonF
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Message 366 of 381 (814556)
07-10-2017 6:22 PM
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07-10-2017 5:18 PM


Re: Just another leftist smear campaign
Cultural Marxist is the LEFT for pete's sake

Which is pushing a claim that some group are cultural Marxists.

With, I notice, no evidence (yes, I looked for it here).

And don't forget cultural Marxism is Jews.

Your rants are getting crazier.


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Faith
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Message 367 of 381 (814564)
07-10-2017 6:42 PM
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07-10-2017 6:22 PM


Re: Just another leftist smear campaign
Oh good grief. Cultural Marxism was invented by Jews. There are just as many Jews who see through it and reject it. Were leftists born with some kind of brain damage that prevents them from making meaningful distinctions?

The rest of your post is garbledegook.


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Message 368 of 381 (814566)
07-10-2017 6:45 PM
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07-10-2017 6:17 PM


Re: jar commits another stupendous fallacy
Faith writes:

Oh we've all known you're the fascists for decades now. Reagan knew it, we all know it. Except the fascists themselves. Of course.

And yet you cannot show a single example of anything involving the left that can honestly be described as fascist while the Trump Administration and the current Conservatives exhibit every single characteristic of a fascist state; Nationalism, Corporatism, single party control of all facets of government, a strong connection with one established religion and the suppression or exclusion of other religions, racism, militarism... the list is endless.


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Message 369 of 381 (814567)
07-10-2017 6:45 PM
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07-10-2017 6:42 PM


Re: Just another leftist smear campaign
Cultural Marxism was invented by Jews

Yup. And it was used as an excuse for antisemitism. Somewhat like you are using it as an excuse for antiliberalism. The difference is that it's connected to Jews but not connected to liberalism.


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Faith
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Message 370 of 381 (814570)
07-10-2017 6:57 PM
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07-10-2017 6:45 PM


Re: Just another leftist smear campaign
Cultural Marxism was invented by Jews...

Yup. And it was used as an excuse for antisemitism.

Oooooooh, the typical leftist fake news gambit. Leaving out the part that says just as many Jews oppose it. Just can't stop smearing, can't stop spinning, can't stop making it up, can you?

Somewhat like you are using it as an excuse for antiliberalism. The difference is that it's connected to Jews but not connected to liberalism.

Excuse? Marxism isn't connected to liberalism? And who, pray tell, is always accusing conservatives of being racists and homophobes and islamophobes and so on for defending American security and freedoms? The whole litany of Cultural Marxist accusations is lobbed quite regularly at conservatives, and not by pixies and leprechauns. But hey I guess liberals are so blind to their own tactics we have to forgive them -- just as we'd forgive all sufferers from dementia.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith
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Message 371 of 381 (814572)
07-10-2017 7:42 PM
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07-10-2017 6:45 PM


Re: jar commits another stupendous fallacy
And yet you cannot show a single example of anything involving the left that can honestly be described as fascist

Uh,
Violent protests against a legitimately elected President
Threats to kill Trump
Threats to impeach him without one iota of cause
Daily fake news, all lies, aimed at destroying his reputation
-- all the above demonstrates hatred of freedom and need to control everybody and enforce conformity to whatever they dictate:
Totalitarian ambition, globalism, opposed strenuously by conservatives who are freedom-lovers
Hatred of freedom of thought, must control everything from government to education to parenting
Leftist principles as expressed in Communist regimes that murder and oppress should be defined as fascist for the same reasons

while the Trump Administration and the current Conservatives exhibit every single characteristic of a fascist state;

Nationalism,

-- Nonsense: Nationalism is a necessary part of true freedom, it is not fascist, it protects against the true fascism which is global tyranny which is being promoted most energetically by the Left, though some so-called conservatives have a part in it too.

Corporatism.

What? There's as much or more corporate tyranny on the left than the right.

single party control of all facets of government:

What? This is true of the Left, which right now is continuing to exert every effort to continue to run the country despite the election of the other party, and to deny Trump supporters the right to exercise OUR party principles over the Left's. How crazy self-deluded can you get?

a strong connection with one established religion and the suppression or exclusion of other religions,

Which is just a statement of the bogus Leftist principle of equality that wants equality for everything BUT Christianity. Christianity is the truth, Christianity built the west and brought the most liberal, humane, prosperous form of government the world had ever seen. And tolerance of other belief systems is a Christian principle, though the Left has turned it into a weapon to destroy Christianity itself. What a diabolical satanic system the Left is.

racism,

There is no racism in the Trump administration, it's all hallucinated by idiot leftists following the formula of Cultural Marxism.

militarism...

Excuse me but rumor has it that Hillary was the biggest hawk ever. Trump wants to have a strong military, and unfortunately it looks like he's caved to some leftist militarism I'm sorry to say, but nothing in his campaign was militaristic at all. I wish he'd throw out all the bums he thinks it a mark of diplomacy to listen to...

the list is endless.

Yes I'm sure Leftist invented accusations are indeed endless.

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Message 372 of 381 (814573)
07-10-2017 7:54 PM
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07-10-2017 7:42 PM


Re: jar commits another stupendous fallacy
And as I suggested, you cannot show a single piece of evidence of fascist characteristics on the part of the left in the US.

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Message 373 of 381 (814574)
07-10-2017 8:40 PM
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07-10-2017 6:57 PM


Re: Just another leftist smear campaign
Oooooooh, the typical leftist fake news gambit. Leaving out the part that says just as many Jews oppose it. Just can't stop smearing, can't stop spinning, can't stop making it up, can you?

Having some severe comprehension problems? Tarring a group with the label "cultural Marxism" is a tool of hate. The neo-Nazis call Jews cultural Marxists. Few Jews are in favor of that.

At least there's some tenuous connection between cultural Marxism and Judaism ;Jews originated the basis of the idea. There's no connection to liberals.

Marxism isn't connected to liberalism?

You got it.

And who, pray tell, is always accusing conservatives of being racists and islamophobes and so on for defending American security and freedoms?

I call a spade a spade. You have explicitly admitted to homophobia and Islamophobia. There are lots of conservatives and liberals who aren't haters like you. Unfortunately the haters are in charge now.


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Faith
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Message 374 of 381 (814578)
07-10-2017 10:03 PM
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07-10-2017 8:40 PM


Re: Just another leftist smear campaign
Oooooooh, the typical leftist fake news gambit. Leaving out the part that says just as many Jews oppose it. Just can't stop smearing, can't stop spinning, can't stop making it up, can you?

Having some severe comprehension problems? Tarring a group with the label "cultural Marxism" is a tool of hate.

Oh doesn't that just take the cake?. The Cultural Marxists define everything they oppose as some form of hate, therefore rightly imputing Cultural Marxism to the Frankfurt School is itself a "tool of hate." They've got us coming and going don't they? Oh and it's "tarring" a Cultural Marxist group with the "label" "Cultural Marxist" to rightly identify that group as a Cultural Marxist. Golly gee, could anyone invent a more perfect system for vilifying an opponent than this diabolically convoluted self-defining system? I'm in awestruck admiration of such Machiavellian manipulation.

The neo-Nazis call Jews cultural Marxists. Few Jews are in favor of that.

I wouldn't know, I've never met a neo-Nazi but I've met a lot of Jews and a lot of them are orthodox religious Jews who are politically conservative, and a lot of them are just plain conservatives, or at least neo-conservatives. Perhaps neo-Nazis don't know the difference but I certainly do, especially since many of my family are Jewish. I guess those who ARE racist can find an excuse anywhere, but conservatives as a group are not.

At least there's some tenuous connection between cultural Marxism and Judaism ;Jews originated the basis of the idea. There's no connection to liberals.

Marxism isn't connected to liberalism?

You got it.

That is nuts and a half. First of all, although Marx was ethnically Jewish he grew up in a converted Christian family, he stated anti-Semitic views himself, and some of his ideology derived from a twisted version of Christianity. It is true that many Jews were attracted to Marxism, especially as they understood it to be an antidote to Nazism -- a case of jumping from skillet into fire but anyway. So David Horowitz was one of many American Jews who grew up in a Co9mmunist family, and one of many who recognized how evil it is and repented. Meanwhile a great many orthodox Jews have been objecting to that ethnic Jewish "liberalism" which isn't really liberalism but Leftism.

But that whole train of thought IS Liberalism as it has become since the sixties. Before that it wasn't as tinged with Marxism-Communism but it certainly is now. What we now have is LEFTISM in the place of Liberalism. Liberalism is not necessarily socialist for instance, but now it is, which has to do with the Marxist element.

And who, pray tell, is always accusing conservatives of being racists and islamophobes and so on for defending American security and freedoms?

I call a spade a spade. You have explicitly admitted to homophobia and Islamophobia

Oh isn't that just too clever? Cultural Marxism defines everything for me doesn't it? We must use Marxist PC terms for everything anyone says no matter how false and no matter how they protest. I'm only a "homophobe" or "Islamophobe" in the twisted indoctrinated minds of Leftists. In reality I am a Christian who knows homosexuality is a sin and gay marriage a violation of God's law, without the slightest fear or hatred involved; and a knowledgeable person who knows that Islam is a murderous totalitarian ideology, who sincerely wishes to save people from it, including the Muslims themselves. But Cultural Marxism must define me as something evil, something hateful so they can rule the world without my interference. They may yet succeed but I'm going to keep trying to interfere anyway.

You don't know a spade from a pitchfork.

There are lots of conservatives and liberals who aren't haters like you. Unfortunately the haters are in charge now.

The only haters are the Leftists who keep trying to rub it off on genuine conservatives. And THOSE haters ARE still in charge because they refuse to allow for any other opinion than their own and refuse to allow for a peacefjul transition of power. I've never seen such hate in this world as has been spewing from the Left over the last year, hate they project on their opponents without a cause. They define it, they embody it, they drown the world in it.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 375 of 381 (814618)
07-11-2017 8:09 AM
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Re: Just another leftist smear campaign
Quite a rant.

No relevant facts included.


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