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ICANT
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Message 422 of 447 (841008)
10-06-2018 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 419 by Percy
10-06-2018 11:40 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,

Percy writes:

But you've diverged completely from your original point, which is that the 21 million men in the military agree with you. They don't. Notably they probably think your failure to lock up your weapons is particularly boneheaded.

There is only 2 million in the military.

The 21 million men I am talking about served in the military in the past, and if you think I talk wild you should hear some of their conversations. You would think I was a saint.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 423 of 447 (841014)
10-07-2018 1:26 AM
Reply to: Message 417 by Tangle
10-06-2018 2:36 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Tangle,

Tangle writes:

He told Peter to put his sword away,

He did not tell Peter to throw his sword away.

He actually told Peter to put his sword in its sheath.

Like me putting my gun back in its holster.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 424 of 447 (841015)
10-07-2018 1:34 AM
Reply to: Message 421 by Capt Stormfield
10-06-2018 12:51 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Capt,

Capt writes:

or hey, go nuts and make a double barrel

Why not make 10 and band them together. Then make another 80 or a hundred. That way you could fire a 110 times before you had to reload. But if you had someone reloading them for you it would mean you could shoot a lot more times.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Tangle
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Message 425 of 447 (841019)
10-07-2018 3:57 AM
Reply to: Message 423 by ICANT
10-07-2018 1:26 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:

He did not tell Peter to throw his sword away.

I didn't say he did, I said he told him to put it away.

And I also said:

Are you going to answer my question or keep on dodging?

The question was whether Jesus would approve of you carrying hand guns and knives around in public. Perhaps you could answer that.

You're still dodging.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Percy
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Message 426 of 447 (841024)
10-07-2018 9:18 AM
Reply to: Message 422 by ICANT
10-06-2018 8:12 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:

The 21 million men I am talking about served in the military in the past, and if you think I talk wild you should hear some of their conversations. You would think I was a saint.

So what it's come down to is that you have a few ex-military friends who talk foolishness with you about the old days. Seriously, do you actually believe that there are many gun-trained people, military or not, who endorse your decision to not lock up your guns?

You are, as Tangle says, dodging most of the points.

If you're mentally ill, how would you know?

And this idea that other people would know if you were mentally ill is absurd. In the vast majority of cases people had no inkling of what shooters were about to do, so this idea that what's inside a person's head is outwardly apparent is a big time myth. Even when someone expresses an actual threat it is usually discounted as exaggeration or hyperbole. And even a very disabled person is capable of deception. You wouldn't believe how long someone with Alzheimer's can hide it.

About your anger, you're certainly paranoid, and paranoia and anger go hand in hand.

Do you really believe your judgment, coordination and reaction time are as good as when you were 30?

Do you recognize that alcohol and guns do not mix well? Given all the obviously false stuff you've said over the years, do you really expect us to believe you never drink? Especially when you get together with your ex-military buddies?

Do you really believe, given the evidence of the police, that training eliminates carelessness and poor judgement?

Why did you say something as crazy as, "My wife is perfect"?

Why do you believe that you and your wife are superman and superwoman when it comes to gun safety?

Why to you believe your kids, grandkids or great grandkids could never find your guns? Wouldn't it be more wise, and more indicative of good judgment about gun safety, if you had a lockbox for them?

Would you truly be willing to break the law if gun ownership were illegal?

And about making that shotgun, here's a hilarious video of a guy making and testing a shotgun:

About the testing part at one point he says:

quote:
If I did miss the backstop [a small pile of dirt] then it would have gone between the houses and there's nothing but hundreds of yards of woods.

This gun nut thinks it's safe to fire guns into the woods. He has no idea if there are people in the woods, he just thinks if it's the woods then fire away. There's houses in the background. Where I live many of my neighbors take walks in the woods. I have, too, but not often - taking walks isn't my thing.

How do you like his shotgun? You wouldn't want to be standing behind him when he fires that thing off.

--Percy


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Capt Stormfield
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Message 427 of 447 (841040)
10-07-2018 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 424 by ICANT
10-07-2018 1:34 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Why not make 10 and band them together. Then make another 80 or a hundred.

Interesting how you willfully miss the point. Nice window into a Christian mind.


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ICANT
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From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007


Message 428 of 447 (841088)
10-08-2018 12:27 AM
Reply to: Message 426 by Percy
10-07-2018 9:18 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,

Percy writes:

So what it's come down to is that you have a few ex-military friends who talk foolishness with you about the old days. Seriously, do you actually believe that there are many gun-trained people, military or not, who endorse your decision to not lock up your guns?

I am tame compared to most to my friends.

But I don't care what their opinion or yours of me locking my guns up are.

I can just see a couple of thugs coming up to my front door with their ak47's and my guns locked in a safe.

What am I supposed to do? Do I say you fellows will have to wait a little bit while I open my safe and get my guns before you kick my door in?

No I will keep my guns within reach.

Percy writes:

And this idea that other people would know if you were mentally ill is absurd. In the vast majority of cases people had no inkling of what shooters were about to do, so this idea that what's inside a person's head is outwardly apparent is a big time myth.

There is nothing wrong with most of those people they just decide to kill a bunch of people because they want too.

Percy writes:

Do you really believe your judgment, coordination and reaction time are as good as when you were 30?

I don't know. I do know I can produce my weapon and hit the target as fast as I ever could. And no I don't miss the target.

Percy writes:

Why did you say something as crazy as, "My wife is perfect"?

Because she is.

Percy writes:

Why do you believe that you and your wife are superman and superwoman when it comes to gun safety?

Training.

Percy writes:

Why to you believe your kids, grandkids or great grandkids could never find your guns? Wouldn't it be more wise, and more indicative of good judgment about gun safety, if you had a lockbox for them?

Well I buried both my sons and besides that the room I put them in while they are at my house they can't get in. It takes my thumb print or my wife's to open the door.

Percy writes:

Would you truly be willing to break the law if gun ownership were illegal?

As far as I am concerned it will never be against the law until 38 states ratify an amendment to the constitution. And I don't see that happening in my life time because it only takes 13 states to block an amendment to the constitution being ratified.

Percy writes:

And about making that shotgun, here's a hilarious video of a guy making and testing a shotgun:

That is not just hilarious you could get hurt with that thing.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007


Message 429 of 447 (841090)
10-08-2018 12:35 AM
Reply to: Message 427 by Capt Stormfield
10-07-2018 1:33 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Capt.

Capt writes:

Interesting how you willfully miss the point. Nice window into a Christian mind.

My point was it does not matter the bad guys can get guns that will fire as many times as an ar15 whether guns are legal or not.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Joined: 03-12-2007


Message 430 of 447 (841094)
10-08-2018 12:41 AM
Reply to: Message 425 by Tangle
10-07-2018 3:57 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Tangle,

Tangle writes:

You're still dodging.

He did not tell Peter to leave his sword locked up at the house did He?

So why would He have a problem with my weapon?

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Posts: 5971
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007


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Message 431 of 447 (841099)
10-08-2018 1:22 AM
Reply to: Message 419 by Percy
10-06-2018 11:40 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,

I missed this.

Percy writes:

Which no doubt you do.

I do not drink other than water or tea, I thought I made that perfectly clear.

I am an alcoholic and I have not had a drink since 1960.

So drinking is a serious thing with me.

Alcohol kills 88,000 people each year. that is 2.27 times the total deaths from guns.

But I don't see any big push to ban alcohol. Oh wait they tried that one time. I think banning guns would be a lot harder. Just my opinion.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Tangle
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Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 2.0


Message 432 of 447 (841107)
10-08-2018 3:15 AM
Reply to: Message 430 by ICANT
10-08-2018 12:41 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:

He did not tell Peter to leave his sword locked up at the house did He?

Still dodging.

As this is the fourth evasion of my question, I'm taking it as an acceptance that you know that Jesus would not approve of you routinely carrying hand guns around in public just because it is legal to do so.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Phat
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Message 433 of 447 (841108)
10-08-2018 6:46 AM
Reply to: Message 432 by Tangle
10-08-2018 3:15 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
For believers, Jesus is currently alive and interactive. His edicts are not simply pronouncements from a centuries-old compilation of books. Whether or not Jesus would approve of I CANTS behavior would be based on I CANTS inner character and relationship with Him. There is no blanket pronouncement of what Jesus would say to any one of us. Granted this belief leaves a lot of wiggle room and self-justification for any believer to use...so I might point out that its irrelevant what Jesus would say. What is relevant is what current laws dictate.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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ICANT
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Joined: 03-12-2007


Message 434 of 447 (841134)
10-08-2018 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 432 by Tangle
10-08-2018 3:15 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Tangle,

Tangle writes:

As this is the fourth evasion of my question, I'm taking it as an acceptance that you know that Jesus would not approve of you routinely carrying hand guns around in public just because it is legal to do so.

Are you speaking for Jesus now?

If Jesus did not tell Peter to leave his weapon at home why would He require me to leave my weapon at home?

According to the Constitution of the United States of America I have the right to own, and bear arms. I obey the Constitution which is the law. I have took 2 oaths to uphold and preserve the Constitution of the United States of America. I have and always will fulfill that obligation.

Since I obey the Constitution I don't think Jesus would have any problem with me carrying my weapon.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ringo
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Message 435 of 447 (841136)
10-08-2018 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 433 by Phat
10-08-2018 6:46 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Phat writes:

Granted this belief leaves a lot of wiggle room and self-justification for any believer to use...


Indeed it does. It gives you an excuse for throwing out the bits that you don't like. "Jesus would have agreed with me," is an egregious copout.

Phat writes:

What is relevant is what current laws dictate.


Another copout. Who makes the laws?

I need an adjective like extra-egregious for, "It's legal so I'm gonna do it."

"Slavery is legal, so I'm gonna own slaves."

"Turning Jews over to the Gestapo is legal so I'm gonna turn Jews over to the Gestapo."


And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Percy
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Message 436 of 447 (841161)
10-08-2018 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 428 by ICANT
10-08-2018 12:27 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:

Percy writes:

So what it's come down to is that you have a few ex-military friends who talk foolishness with you about the old days. Seriously, do you actually believe that there are many gun-trained people, military or not, who endorse your decision to not lock up your guns?

I am tame compared to most to my friends.

How is this a defense or a rebuttal or even anything meaningful, which is sort of the question you could ask about your whole post. What does it matter if you're talking the least foolishness of anyone there. So what? You're all still talking foolishness.

But I don't care what their opinion or yours of me locking my guns up are.

How is "I don't care" a defense or a rebuttal or anything even relevant. Facts and reality say that you and your friends and family are safer if the guns are locked up.

I can just see a couple of thugs coming up to my front door with their ak47's and my guns locked in a safe.

Yes, exactly. This has been explained many times to the many people in this thread (like Jar) who when bragging about how safe they are with guns explain that they are kept locked away.

But whether you lock your guns up or not, the fact remains that you are in greater danger of death by gun when there's a gun in the house then when there isn't.

What am I supposed to do? Do I say you fellows will have to wait a little bit while I open my safe and get my guns before you kick my door in?

What you're supposed to do is step out of fantasyland and realize that guys with AK47s are never going to appear at your door, and your measly guns would be no match for them anyway.

No I will keep my guns within reach.

It's your funeral.

Percy writes:

And this idea that other people would know if you were mentally ill is absurd. In the vast majority of cases people had no inkling of what shooters were about to do, so this idea that what's inside a person's head is outwardly apparent is a big time myth.

There is nothing wrong with most of those people they just decide to kill a bunch of people because they want too.

So now you're a mental health professional? You don't know what you're talking about.

Percy writes:

Do you really believe your judgment, coordination and reaction time are as good as when you were 30?

I don't know. I do know I can produce my weapon and hit the target as fast as I ever could. And no I don't miss the target.

You cannot draw your weapon and hit the target "as fast as I ever could." Your strength, quickness and reaction time peak at a relatively young age. You're not fooling anyone but yourself. At your age you're more a menace than anything else.

Percy writes:

Why did you say something as crazy as, "My wife is perfect"?

Because she is.

ICANT, claiming nonsense like this is just plain provocative. If you're not going to take the discussion seriously but instead just waste people's time then take it elsewhere.

Percy writes:

Why do you believe that you and your wife are superman and superwoman when it comes to gun safety?

Training.

That's not true, as I just explained in my previous message where I explained that the police with their training are not supermen when it comes to gun safety. And anyway, you're already ignoring your training since any gun instructor will tell you to lock your guns up.

Percy writes:

Why do you believe your kids, grandkids or great grandkids could never find your guns? Wouldn't it be more wise, and more indicative of good judgment about gun safety, if you had a lockbox for them?

Well I buried both my sons and besides that the room I put them in while they are at my house they can't get in. It takes my thumb print or my wife's to open the door.

Oh, I'm sure a locked door is insurmountable, especially one requiring a - oh my - thumbprint. And as I've asked before, is it impossible that you'd forget to lock them away? Or that family members might stop by unexpectedly leaving you no opportunity to lock them away, if you even happened to think about it? Or that you'd lock away some but forget to lock away others? And what happens if those guys with AK47s show up at your door while your family is visiting? Are they going to wait nice and polite while you go fetch the guns from the locked room?

Percy writes:

Would you truly be willing to break the law if gun ownership were illegal?

As far as I am concerned it will never be against the law until 38 states ratify an amendment to the constitution. And I don't see that happening in my life time because it only takes 13 states to block an amendment to the constitution being ratified.

It's a hypothetical, and you've already stated you'd break the law to obtain guns. You're already pretty crazy. If you decided you wanted an automatic weapon, then you'd break the law to get one. Good show!

Percy writes:

And about making that shotgun, here's a hilarious video of a guy making and testing a shotgun:

That is not just hilarious you could get hurt with that thing.

Yeah, no kidding, he's as dangerous as you, just another member of the gun nut club.

--Percy


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