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elcano
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Message 76 of 132 (377588)
01-17-2007 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Percy
01-17-2007 3:16 PM


Re: Still paying attention here
You speak
"since it's the predominant language used by the inhabitants that is significant here, but whatever language it was, it wasn't Latin, which was a dead language by the 17th century. The language of excavated Pompeii was Latin."

Why monuments of 17 centuries have inscriptions in latin language?
See http://www.vesuvioweb.com/new/article.php3?id_article=216
Epitaffio in Portici and Epitaffio in Torre del Greco


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anastasia
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Message 77 of 132 (377592)
01-17-2007 3:52 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by elcano
01-17-2007 3:42 PM


Re: Still paying attention here
elcano writes:

Why monuments of 17 centuries have inscriptions in latin language?

Are you serious? Why did Catholics have books in Latin in 1950? I know my family was 'Roman' Catholic before I was born, but maybe I should ask if they got to church by chariot?

Maybe it was so people could READ IT, from all different countries? It was a tourist site, you know, a very famous place. Besides, one of these links around here said the Latin was effective and accurate but not eloquent (obviously a translation).

I really hope your Mr Fomenko has more behind his hypothesis than this? Maybe you could just come out and tell us what you are trying to say. I would like to know how this new time-line for history looks. It is based on a short 1000 year old history of civilization, yes?

Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.

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Percy
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Message 78 of 132 (377594)
01-17-2007 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by elcano
01-17-2007 3:42 PM


Re: Still paying attention here
elcano writes:

Why monuments of 17 centuries have inscriptions in latin language?
See http://www.vesuvioweb.com/new/article.php3?id_article=216
Epitaffio in Portici and Epitaffio in Torre del Greco

Although a dead language, Latin continued to be used all around the western world on things like plaques and monuments. The Catholic mass was still given in Latin until just a few decades ago. You can go to Westminster Abbey in England and find Latin plaques all over the place, and the English never spoke Latin!

In other words, the presence of a Latin plaque anywhere in the world says nothing about the language of the local inhabitants. But the language of the inhabitants of the excavated town of Pompeii *was* Latin, as revealed by its use literally everywhere, from monuments and statues all the way down to graffiti and doormats. It first century origin is also indicated by the architecture, by the temples to the Roman gods, by the pottery, and by the technology.

--Percy


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elcano
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Message 79 of 132 (377596)
01-17-2007 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by anastasia
01-17-2007 3:29 PM


Re: Pliny the Younger.
For message 74 see 76

Epitaffio is only in three books in 18 century. Existence Epittafio in 19 century is marked only in two book. With the full text Epitafio I did not see any book of 20 centuries. Even here http://www.vesuvioweb.com/new/article.php3?id_article=202
the photo only the top part of a monument where is absent the cities of Pompeii.


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anastasia
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Message 80 of 132 (377598)
01-17-2007 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by elcano
01-17-2007 4:09 PM


Re: Pliny the Younger.
elcano writes:

Epitaffio is only in three books in 18 century. Existence Epittafio in 19 century is marked only in two book. With the full text Epitafio I did not see any book of 20 centuries. Even here http://www.vesuvioweb.com/new/article.php3?id_article=202
the photo only the top part of a monument where is absent the cities of Pompeii.

Oh, I get it! Now the monument is fake also. Can you tell me what happened? Someone removed part of it? Are you saying the bottom part is no longer there, just because you can't find a picture of it? Maybe you should just go to Italy and check.


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Chiroptera
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Message 81 of 132 (377602)
01-17-2007 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by elcano
01-17-2007 4:09 PM


I have a question.
elcano, why are you trying to discuss a very controversial topic in a language with which you have difficulty?

Wouldn't it be better to discuss this with your fellow Russian speakers, and then, once it becomes established there, people who are more fluent can explain it to the rest of us?


But government...is not simply the way we express ourselves collectively but also often the only way we preserve our freedom from private power and its incursions. -- Bill Moyers (quoting John Schwarz)
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anastasia
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Message 82 of 132 (377609)
01-17-2007 4:53 PM
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01-17-2007 4:35 PM


Re: I have a question.
Chiroptera writes:

elcano, why are you trying to discuss a very controversial topic in a language with which you have difficulty?

Don't worry about it. He's just playing an online fantasy game with Anatoly Fomenko as the Dungeon Master.


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Chiroptera
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Message 83 of 132 (377610)
01-17-2007 4:57 PM
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01-17-2007 4:53 PM


Re: I have a question.
Hi, anastasia.

I'm just trying to figure out whether elcano is A Very Sincere Messenger Trying To Broadcast An Important Truth Around The World, or whether he's just pulling our collective leg.


But government...is not simply the way we express ourselves collectively but also often the only way we preserve our freedom from private power and its incursions. -- Bill Moyers (quoting John Schwarz)
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elcano
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Message 84 of 132 (377611)
01-17-2007 4:57 PM
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01-17-2007 4:35 PM


Re: I have a question.
Good question. Discussion is not so interesting to me. A problem more simple. To inform people that there are facts not conterminous with a modern picture of the past. These facts approve, that our representations about the past it is a myth. In our world there is too dangerous not a knowledge of the real past.
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anastasia
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Message 85 of 132 (377615)
01-17-2007 5:07 PM
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01-17-2007 4:57 PM


Re: I have a question.
Chiroptera writes:

or whether he's just pulling our collective leg.

If he is, he's not alone. There are web-pages all over where the members of this 'game' get together to create new roles for the players in history...


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Wepwawet
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Message 86 of 132 (377651)
01-17-2007 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by elcano
01-17-2007 2:58 PM


Re: Still paying attention here
The Neapolitan kingdom in 17 century is not Italian. It belongs to Spain. In what language wrote official documents (laws) we does not know.

Percy and Anastasia have already addressed this drivel. It doesn't matter who owned that part of Italy, the inhabitants spoke a dialect of Italian in the seventeenth century. Please reference an inscription from the Pompeiian runes written in Italian or Spanish (heck you can even include French if you want to argue Burgundian influence).

I see you've managed to ignore the majority of my post. I asked you to provide evidence that Pompeii is a seventeenth century city and you blathered on about who was running Naples.

Now you can either go back and address all the points raised in my posts or you can go practice your Borat act on someone else.


When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data.
- Henry Morris, Head of Institute for Creation Research
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Wepwawet
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Message 87 of 132 (377654)
01-17-2007 7:40 PM
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01-17-2007 4:57 PM


Oh I get it now!
It all is beginning to make sense...

George W. Bush and Stalin conspired to destroy Pompeii in 1631 to create a giant smokescreen that was used by the French (disguised as Normans) in their invasion of England in 1066...meanwhile Rameses II and Ghandi had kidnapped Shaka in order to force him to reveal the secret location of Area-51 and get him to sign the Magna Carta.

If it hadn't been for Ben Franklin, Wild Bill Hickock and Adolf Hitler founding Christianity during half-time at the Battle of Marengo, history as we know it would have dissolved into something insubstantial...like a battleship.

See...all we need to do is coordinate our drug intake.


When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data.
- Henry Morris, Head of Institute for Creation Research
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AdminNosy
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Message 88 of 132 (377655)
01-17-2007 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by elcano
01-17-2007 4:09 PM


It is beginning to look like your end elcano
I'm sorry that you seem to have trouble posting coherent, understandable arguments.

It is probably a language problem but it appears that you are posting utter nonsense without any sensible support.

I'll allow this to go on for a small number of additional posts and then you will start with a weeks suspension. If you return and do no better the suspensions will get much longer.

It's too bad but this doesn't seen to be the place for you and other members have better things to do with their time.


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anastasia
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Message 89 of 132 (377656)
01-17-2007 8:04 PM
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01-17-2007 7:49 PM


Re: It is beginning to look like your end elcano
AdminNosy writes:

It's too bad but this doesn't seen to be the place for you and other members have better things to do with their time.

Honestly Nosy, if elcano would stop beating around the bush and post a topic where his real motives are clear (historical revision) it might be fun to at least refute the hell out of...pretty sure his English isn't sufficient though.


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PaulK
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Message 90 of 132 (377714)
01-18-2007 2:20 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by elcano
01-17-2007 4:57 PM


Re: I have a question.
quote:

Discussion is not so interesting to me.

Then you're in the wrong place. This board is devoted to discussion. If you only want to lecture to people - and if you won't deal with the evidence against your assertions - then this is no place for you.

quote:

To inform people that there are facts not conterminous with a modern picture of the past. These facts approve, that our representations about the past it is a myth. In our world there is too dangerous not a knowledge of the real past.

From what we've seen this is not true. The evidence that Pompeii was destroyed before 1632 is far stronger than anything you've produced. It seems more that you are determined to create a myth. The myth that Pompeii was destroyed in 1632 - against almost all the archeological and historical evidence.


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