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John Inactive Member |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by blitz77:
[b]Take the uranium-lead dating method. This method relies on the ratio of uranium-radiogenic lead for dating. However, in almost all deposits of uranium, there is also thorium, which produces radiogenic lead. Also, during the decay of uranium-lead, it produces helium. There is simply not enough helium in the atmosphere (less than 1/2000ths of the required amount) that is expected from this. You might say that it escapes the atmosphere. This is not true. Helium is quite a lot heavier than hydrogen and does not escape in significant amounts. Indeed, with the earth circulating around the solar system it picks up intersolar gas/dust, increasing the amount of helium on the earth.[/QUOTE] [/b] 1) All of the dating methods have problems, but they do all give the same dates within reasonable margins of error. Its like trying to figure out what time it is when all of the clocks in the house are off by a few minutes one way or the other. 2) http://www.holysmoke.org/icr6dud.htm quote: Actually, it is being released rapidly via the burning of fossil fuels. Nuclear tests in the fifties added a big chunk as well. So c-14 isn't used on anything very recent.
quote: Fossil fuels have been used extensively for two or three hundred years at most. It is inaccurate to extrapolate backwards from today, without accounting for that.
quote: Based upon an inaccurate estimate of cosmic dust.
quote: Ok. Fine. So what? Before the sun ignited such would have been the case. But earths own gravitational contraction would have heated it to a liguid anyway. There is no geological evidence of anything from before the Earth's crust solidified.
quote: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/moonrec.html ... note the part that states that the moon is now retreating anomalously rapidly.
quote: Salt doesn't get to the ocean and stay. It settles out into the ocean floor-- directly or in the bodies of dead ocean critters. It is then lifted back out by plate techtonics. ----- off the top of my head
quote: Cite. ------------------
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John Inactive Member |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by blitz77:
[b]Take the uranium-lead dating method. This method relies on the ratio of uranium-radiogenic lead for dating. However, in almost all deposits of uranium, there is also thorium, which produces radiogenic lead. Also, during the decay of uranium-lead, it produces helium. There is simply not enough helium in the atmosphere (less than 1/2000ths of the required amount) that is expected from this. You might say that it escapes the atmosphere. This is not true. Helium is quite a lot heavier than hydrogen and does not escape in significant amounts. Indeed, with the earth circulating around the solar system it picks up intersolar gas/dust, increasing the amount of helium on the earth.[/QUOTE] [/b] 1) All of the dating methods have problems, but they do all give the same dates within reasonable margins of error. Its like trying to figure out what time it is when all of the clocks in the house are off by a few minutes one way or the other. 2) http://www.holysmoke.org/icr6dud.htm quote: Actually, it is being released rapidly via the burning of fossil fuels. Nuclear tests in the fifties added a big chunk as well. So c-14 isn't used on anything very recent.
quote: Fossil fuels have been used extensively for two or three hundred years at most. It is inaccurate to extrapolate backwards from today, without accounting for that.
quote: Based upon an inaccurate estimate of cosmic dust.
quote: Ok. Fine. So what? Before the sun ignited such would have been the case. But earths own gravitational contraction would have heated it to a liguid anyway. There is no geological evidence of anything from before the Earth's crust solidified.
quote: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/moonrec.html ... note the part that states that the moon is now retreating anomalously rapidly.
quote: Salt doesn't get to the ocean and stay. It settles out into the ocean floor-- directly or in the bodies of dead ocean critters. It is then lifted back out by plate techtonics. ----- off the top of my head ------------------
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Yikes..... Makes perfect sense though. My mistake. ------------------
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John Inactive Member |
You'll understand if I don't correct error which have already been corrected by myself and others.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by blitz77:
[b]Ummm, why would fossil fuels release so much of the stuff into the atmosphere?{/b][/QUOTE] I have already been set straight on this one.
quote: There are no ice cores from Antartica that are that old. The ice in Antarctica is about 33-34 million years old-- something like 4 billion years off base. ------------------
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John Inactive Member |
quote: If I'm not mistaken, none of the radiometric dating methods are reliable for such a recent date as 1800 (except c-14, which only works for organics)
[QUOTE][/b]Helium does not escape into the atmosphere. Hydrogen does (which is how oxygen is made in the atmosphere, by UV hitting water vapor and splitting it into hydrogen and oxygen), but helium is a lot heavier than hydrogen. Give me some articles which show that helium escapes into space faster than it enters our atmosphere from interplanetary gas.[/B][/QUOTE] from Infidels.org Is the Earth Young? ------------------
www.hells-handmaiden.com [This message has been edited by John, 07-07-2002]
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