Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9164 total)
2 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,913 Year: 4,170/9,624 Month: 1,041/974 Week: 368/286 Day: 11/13 Hour: 0/1


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   How old is the Earth?!
JonF
Member (Idle past 198 days)
Posts: 6174
Joined: 06-23-2003


Message 46 of 65 (68544)
11-22-2003 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by blitz77
07-07-2002 2:15 AM


Most of your post has been dealth with adequately. One more comment:
As proof of the unreliability of the radiometric methods consider the fact that in nearly every case {emphasis added - JRF} dates from recent lava flows have come back excessively large.
This is a flat-out lie. In a very few cases dates from recent lava flows have come back excessively large, and there are no such cases that are not explained.
Most of such cases that were generated by creationists are explained by improper sample selection. I wonder why a supposedly knowledgeable geologist selects samples so obviously wrong ... it couldn't be so as to cheat, could it?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 33 by blitz77, posted 07-07-2002 2:15 AM blitz77 has not replied

  
JonF
Member (Idle past 198 days)
Posts: 6174
Joined: 06-23-2003


Message 59 of 65 (69592)
11-27-2003 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by Trump won
11-26-2003 11:14 PM


How would a great flood "boil" the earth?
All the ideas that have been proposed for the source of the water or changes in the Earth's topography (other than the idea of God making it appear miraculously) involve the release of so much energy in the form of heat that "boiling" is an inadequate term. Venus would be Antarctica by comparison, and essentially all life on Earth would be destroyed (maybe a few bacteria would survive). Vapor canopy, ice canopy, ice asteroid impact, water released from below, catastrophic plate tectonics, rapid mountain bulding ... all of them release enough heat to destroy life several times over.
"Scientific" creationists don't want to say it was a miracle; if they did they would have to give up the pretense that they're scientific. So they mumble and dissemble a lot when the subject comes up. Any proposal for the source of the water must include a calculation of the heat involved, and that calculation must be both performed and reviewed by experts, or the proposal is meaningless.
See, for example, Water and Vapor and Noah's Flood.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 55 by Trump won, posted 11-26-2003 11:14 PM Trump won has not replied

  
JonF
Member (Idle past 198 days)
Posts: 6174
Joined: 06-23-2003


Message 63 of 65 (69635)
11-27-2003 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Buzsaw
11-27-2003 11:49 AM


There's other theories to show that pre flood canopy would've created the perfect weather world wide
Sorry, no, there aren't any such theories.
Some people. e.g. Dr. Baugh, have asserted that a pre-flood canopy would've created the perfect weather world-wide. However, they all have "solved" the heat problem by ignoring it, and they have no evidence for their claims of "perfect weather". That's not a theory.
As I said, Any proposal for the source of the water must include a calculation of the heat involved, and that calculation must be both performed and reviewed by experts, or the proposal is meaningless.
See. for example, the ICR's SENSITIVITY STUDIES ON VAPOR CANOPY TEMPERATURE PROFILES, in which they conclude that arbitrary and ad-hoc variation of many factors to maximize the water content of a vapor canopy just might, if you're a true believer, get enough water to cover the Earth to a depth of 2 meters (just over 6 feet) into a canopy without killing everything, and conclude that Dillow and Vardiman were flat-out wrong. Or Walter Brown's Scientific Arguments Opposing a Canopy.
Glenn Morton has an interesting page on the history of the canopy idea at The Demise and Fall of the Water Vapor Canopy: A Fallen Creationist Idea.
{edited to fix units conversion error}
[This message has been edited by JonF, 11-28-2003]

This message is a reply to:
 Message 60 by Buzsaw, posted 11-27-2003 11:49 AM Buzsaw has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 64 by wj, posted 11-27-2003 9:30 PM JonF has replied

  
JonF
Member (Idle past 198 days)
Posts: 6174
Joined: 06-23-2003


Message 65 of 65 (69691)
11-28-2003 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by wj
11-27-2003 9:30 PM


Oops, thanks
You're right.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 64 by wj, posted 11-27-2003 9:30 PM wj has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024