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blitz77
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Message 13 of 65 (12732)
07-04-2002 7:04 AM


There are numerous methods of dating which don't support the billions of years hypothesis.
Take the uranium-lead dating method. This method relies on the ratio of uranium-radiogenic lead for dating. However, in almost all deposits of uranium, there is also thorium, which produces radiogenic lead. Also, during the decay of uranium-lead, it produces helium. There is simply not enough helium in the atmosphere (less than 1/2000ths of the required amount) that is expected from this. You might say that it escapes the atmosphere. This is not true. Helium is quite a lot heavier than hydrogen and does not escape in significant amounts. Indeed, with the earth circulating around the solar system it picks up intersolar gas/dust, increasing the amount of helium on the earth.
Now take carbon dating. Did you know that C14 is currently being created 25% faster than it is destroyed? That the level of C14 is not in equilibrium? If you take the figures and take it back to a time where there is no C14, it gives the date of the earth as

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blitz77
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Message 28 of 65 (12890)
07-06-2002 5:56 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by John
07-04-2002 12:52 PM


Reasonable margins of error for uranium dating? There are quite a number of examples that disprove this. I remember one in which a recent volcano's lava (~100 yrs old) was dated by the uranium method to be 500 million years old. Is that a reasonable margin of error?
Ummm, why would fossil fuels release so much of the stuff into the atmosphere? If they really are the hundreds of millions of years old required to form them, then they should have for all intents and purposes ZERO C14. Also, this figure of 25% faster being created was using data during times nuclear tests weren't done. So how would nuclear tests affect the figures of it being created 25% faster? In fact, if the amount of C14 formed from nuclear tests are significant, then C14 should be being destroyed faster than it is being created. C14 should be at equilibrium after only 30 000 yrs. But it obviously isn't at equilibrium.
Inaccurate data for cosmic dust? Actually, Snelling and Rush’s research found that anti-creationist critics, in their haste to demolish the argument, had used figures which err greatly in the opposite direction. The amount of dust coming annually on to the earth/moon is much smaller than the amount estimated by (noncreationists) Pettersson, on which the argument is usually based. For example, theistic evolutionists from Calvin College, after scathingly critiquing creationists for alleged erroneous handling of data, do precisely that and arrive at a figure for moon-dust influx only about one-twentieth of that which should have been correctly concluded from the literature they consulted.
You didn't notice the implications of the faint-sun paradox. As you all know, O-18 is more common during periods of cold. There is no evidence from ice cores in Antartica that in early earth the atmosphere was cold, as it should have after the hundreds of millions of years after the earth formed.
The earth's magnetic field has been decaying at ~5% every century. The magnetic field was about 40% stronger at 1000AD from archaelogical measurements of it. Barnes calculated that it couldn't have been decaying for more than 10 000 yrs or it would have been strong enough to melt the earth. And you say that fast magnetic field switches didn't happen? In 1995, an even faster magnetic reversal was discovered. -R.S. Coe, M. Prvot and P. Camps, ‘New evidence for extraordinarily rapid change of the geomagnetic field during a reversal’, Nature 374(6564):687—692, 1995; see also A. Snelling, The principle of ‘least astonishment’, CEN Technical Journal 9(2):138—139, 1995
Salty seas. Salt lifted back out by plate tectonics? Actually, take these measurements of net influx of Na+ ions into the oceans (taking into account upliftings, actually how does plate tectonics influence it? At the rate continents drift, a few cm a year, it cant be significant). Austin and Humphreys calculated that about 457 million tonnes of sodium now comes into the sea every year. The minimum possible rate in the past, even if the most generous assumptions are granted to evolutionists, is 356 million tonnes/year. (using a submarine groundwater discharge of 0.01-10%). And even then, recent studies show that the rate it enters oceans is even faster: That submarine groundwater discharge (SGWD) is as much as 40% of what rivers discharge. Austin and Humphreys calculated that about 122 million tonnes of sodium leaves the sea every year. The maximum possible rate in the past, even if the most generous assumptions are granted to evolutionists, is 206 million tonnes/year.
Granting the most generous assumptions to evolutionists, Austin and Humphreys calculated that the ocean must be less than 62 million years old. It’s important to stress that this is not the actual age, but a maximum age. That is, this evidence is consistent with any age up to 62 million years.
Air is mainly nitrogen (78.1%) and oxygen (20.1%). There is much less helium (0.0005%). But this is still a lot of helium 3.71 billion tonnes. However, since 67 grams of helium escape from the earth's crust into the atmosphere every second, it would have taken about two million years for the current amount of helium to build up, even if there had been none at the beginning. Evolutionists believe the earth is over 2,500 times older 4.5 billion years. Of course, the earth could have been created with most of the helium already there, so two million years is a maximum age.
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blitz77
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Message 33 of 65 (12946)
07-07-2002 2:15 AM
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07-06-2002 1:42 PM


Of course, I admit anybody can be wrong, including me of course.
As proof of the unreliability of the radiometric methods consider the fact that in nearly every case dates from recent lava flows have come back excessively large. One example is the rocks from the Kaupelehu Flow, Hualalai Volcano in Hawaii which was known to have erupted in 1800-1801. These rocks were dated by a variety of different methods. Of 12 dates reported the youngest was 140 million years and the oldest was 2.96 billion years. The dates average 1.41 billion years.
And me, oldschool? Unfortunately, I'm not very old (~20). Anyway, if you want to look credentials of creationists, http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/default.asp should have some information too. Includes some people with triple Ph.D's, inventor of MRI, etc.
Salty domes? I'm unfamiliar with this. How does this relate to the salt problem (the net influx of salt into oceans?). Please explain this to me.
Helium does not escape into the atmosphere. Hydrogen does (which is how oxygen is made in the atmosphere, by UV hitting water vapor and splitting it into hydrogen and oxygen), but helium is a lot heavier than hydrogen. Give me some articles which show that helium escapes into space faster than it enters our atmosphere from interplanetary gas.

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