How old is the Earth?!

Uh, Messenjah, would you care to elaborate on that? Exactly how is it relavant to the discussion? Does the Bible tell you how they formed? In fact, is there a hint that any of the writers even knew they existed?Why do the formation of the glaciers have anything to do with the age of the earth? (be careful here, you should not have brought this up, they offer ways to show that 6,000 years is NOT enough time to form them)[This message has been edited by NosyNed, 11-22-2003]

Bump!It does appear we have a number of young earth creationists around. Since I would say that the age of the earth is one very fundamental point in the debate between the two camps perhaps one or more of you young earthers would care to show how they determine the age of the earth.

Unfortunatly, Messenjah, there is no mechanism that a 'great flood' could produce the glaciation. In fact, if you head off to the thread on that topic you will find that the creationists ideas of how the great flood unfolded would have boiled the earth's surface. We would, I'm guessing, still have been cooling off by the time of Christ.It is also no good trying to suggest that the glaciers are a result of the flood when creationists themselves discovered a long, long time ago that the flood didn't happen. So whatever the so called mystery of the glaciation is we know it wasn't the 'great flood'.You can guess away all you want. That is the kind of approach used frequently by the so called creation "scientists". However, all that will happen is that ugly facts will be thrown in your face and leave you haveing to make up more and more wild stories. Don't say you weren't warned.Another suggestion, don't start up something new untill you have finished with other points you have raised. You have, if my memory hasn't short circuited again, suggested that radiometric dating is wrong. If so you might want to finish with that before you start on glaciers.

There is a huge amount of discussion on that topic.You can look here and read around in this thread.
EvC Forum: Geomagnetism and the rate of Sea-floor Spreadinghere's a bit more discussion about the flood
EvC Forum: Carbon Dating DOESN'T work beyond 4500 yearsand here
EvC Forum: Wegener and Evidence for Continental DriftThe problem is that it is hard to nail down just what a great flood would do since, like some other things, each creationist seems to make up a new idea about it as they go along.Perhaps you could give you 'official' creation "science" explanation for the flood. Then we can have fun tearing it into little tiny pieces.Note that the heat problem is just one of the many things which demonstrate that the flood did *not* happen. The creation geologists of a couple of centuries ago recognized the problems and gave up the flood model because of them.

The mystery with glaciers isn't how they form but how the conditions on earth change that allows for them to form in over large areas and then change back again.There are a number of ideas regarding this but I don't know all that much about it. The point at present is that the 'great flood' idea in not one which can explain anything since there is ample evidence falsifying it.

Yes, Buz, they have. Perfectly good calculations backed by measurements of physical constants have been put forward. If you have a detailed set of calculations which shows this to be wrong I'd be interested in seeing them.If all you have are baseless assertions then you may carry on making them and casting all Christians in a bad light while doing so.[This message has been edited by NosyNed, 11-27-2003]