iano writes:
God is hostage to is own holiness. Sin cannot be swept under the carpet anymore than God can create a immovable-by-him object. God being hostage in the ways he is, is a good thing - it means there is such a thing as absolutes.
Now you're just playing with words. God isn't a neurotic obsessive who has his little rules and rituals and just
has to straighten out the forks on the dinner table,
has to arrange all his shoes facing north and just
has to deal with sin. It's not even as if sin is a third-party force that God has to deal with or else! Sin is just a definition in God's vocabulary.
iano writes:
It's not self-justification mechanisms he invents but a sinner-justification mechanism he invented. He planned for it before the world began, there being no time like the present.. in eternity
how can it not be self-justification when God doesn't have to justify anything to anyone but himself?
So he decides to punish himself (Jesus) for our sins in order to justify us to himself (Father) to stop himself from letting us rot in (his) hell? can't you see how absurd this is ?!
iano writes:
God doesn't circumvent his own law.
Ofcourse he does! If his own law says that sinners must be punished then why aren't the sinners punished? Why does he punish himself (Jesus) instead, in order to look like he's upholding his law?
Your theology makes God look like a petty despot who wants to appear to be just and fair while dishing out favours through the back door.
iano writes:
Either sinners pay for their sin or God pays for sinners sin. But sin will be paid for - come hell or high water. A vital by-product of God paying the price for you, is Gods fulfilling of the conditions involved when anyone fully forgives anyone else, to whit: the offended pays the whatever cost of the offence is, themselves.
Really?! Tell me what exactly is it this price that God is 'paying'? What is this thing that God is giving up as 'payment'? And who is receiving it?
"We must respect the law, not let it blind us away from the basic principles of fairness, justice and freedom"
™ Version 4.2