Did Jesus die in vain?

Hi Iano weired as it sounds but from your perspective (I'm remembering our GD) you make perfect sense.Nice to see you again, by the way.Edited by Larni, : No reason given.

Hi Heinrik.Iano and I hade a Great Debate here:http://EvC Forum: Great Debate: Romans 1-9 - Larni and Iano -->EvC Forum: Great Debate: Romans 1-9 - Larni and IanoIt's pretty long takes some reading but Iano does a good job of explaining that Jesus definitly did not die in vian.I take off my atheist hat during the whole debate so I'm not constantly harping that Jesus was not divine.

Of course not. There are several assumptions that I just cannot make that I would need to make to beleive. Of course not. But it was damn interesting. Iano really did get his message across about what he believes about the sacrifice Jesus is proposed to have made.If one makes the same assumptions that he has his logic does make sense.

Hi Iano. I seem to remember that I grasped that the only thing you had to 'do' for salvation was not reject the gift when offered.

I'm game.To keep it on topic I would suggest that one assumption that one has to make for the sacrifice of Jesus to have any meaning on a metaphysical level is that Sin (as an entity that is applied to a human and keeps her out of heaven) is real.This is an assumption that I cannot make.Your go.

I would have to make that assumption if I were to alter my current position about Ianos arguement re: the sacrifice of Jesus. No it would not; however the question Heinrik asked me was whether Ianos explaination of Jesus's sacrifice had made me change my mind.

Hi ICANT.I think the confusion lies in the nature of the GD I had with Iano. During this debate I assumed that the xian god was real and that the bible more or less is accurate.I assumed all this for the sake of arguement i.e. so I could debate with Iano (and I enjoyed it very much as being a nay sayer all the time can get boring) about his take on Romans.Then, when Heinrik asked if I had changed my mind as a result of the debate and could I (I assume that's what Heiniken meant) now make the assumption that the xian god was real, I replied to the effect that I could not make the assumptions I made for the sake of arguement.No appologies necessary Edited by Larni, : No reason given.

Yoinks!*looks around for a carpet to sweep that little error under**walks away wistling*