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Free will, or is it?

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Message 102 of 163 (455795)
02-13-2008 7:32 PM

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02-11-2008 11:35 PM

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If god gave us free will, then how can he know the out come of our choices, thus how can prophecies be made?

I believe that God doesn't knowwhat we'll do. However, He can, how to say, impose His will on us. It's still a free choice, but God can give us the urge to do something that may cause something to happen (something that He predicted) as long as the will is followed.

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Message 106 of 163 (455802)
02-13-2008 8:29 PM

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02-13-2008 7:38 PM

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i believe that God knows what God knows, and no man can know what God truly does or does not know.

i also believe that if you choose to serve God, truly. then God may use his servants for his will, and not the will of the man or the individual. and those are the "works" professed of in the bible. not mans, but Gods will by men who truly serve him.

I agree. Good way of putting it.

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Message 107 of 163 (455805)
02-13-2008 8:36 PM

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02-13-2008 8:16 PM

Re: Free will. As in problems with

iano writes:

We are described as being enslaved, dead, blind.

We are enslaved to sin. It's our choice to sin, but Satan puts so much emphasis on "sin now and reap the rewards now" that we often choose that option over God's "work hard at doing right now, reap much greater rewards later." So, we're a slave to human nature, not to God.

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