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Author Topic:   Does God Really Exist???
Zurahn
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Message 292 of 305 (103482)
04-28-2004 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by neil88
04-04-2004 11:52 AM


Re: The Point
I have some reasoning I'd like to see if anyone can dispute:
The typical answer to 'Who created God?' is 'God has always been and always shall be'. Now, for something to have ALWAYS existed, then it has no beginning. So let's take a miscellaneous event, say the creation of the Universe by God, there would be an infinite amount of time prior to that event, thereby it, and all else, could never come to be as there is no end to infinity--for anything to exist, it MUST have a beginning, perhaps not an end, but at the least a beginning.

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Zurahn
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Message 295 of 305 (103497)
04-28-2004 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by :æ:
04-28-2004 6:32 PM


Re: The Point
That is what I was trying to get across, and your argument is very in depth and I'm not sure if I picked everything up correctly, it seems to me that your response leads back to the idea that there is a beginning of God.
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If time has a beginning, yet something exists for ALL real time values, then it would seem to me that this thing, whatever it is, would also have a beginning with time, and still have always existed.
For if there is a beginning of time, for it to exist from it's start, then it would still have to be created under some capacity because that would be a beginning, which gives the Universe just the same possibility to come from nothing should such a being as God be able to.
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For instance, the set of all positive whole numbers is infinite, but only in one direction. It starts at 1 and goes on forever.
I understand this and have thought of a ray of light, which is why I said it may not actually have an end, but must have a beginning or it wouldn't reach a point. And for time to only be local to the Universe, how can anything act beyond the bounds of time? That would be a frozen image, would it not? Also consider where memory would begin--would there not have to be a point where you do not remember anything prior? That is a key component why it seems without a beginning nothing would come to pass.

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Zurahn
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Message 299 of 305 (103511)
04-28-2004 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 296 by crashfrog
04-28-2004 6:52 PM


If there's no time except within the Universe, and going by your logic that time keeps everything from happening at once, how then about Heaven and interactions there without time? There would be none as there would be no interval between each others. This would basically send all spirits into purgatory. Also Hell, assuming it would just be pain, would be constant ongoing pain that would basically cancel itself out because it would be perfectly equal as it all happens at once.

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