Rationalising The Irrational - Hardcore Theists Apply Within

Since it seems ICANT and I have been put in the same Christian camp by unbelievers at this form, I don't have anything to add to ICANT's answers.But I will comment when unbelievers misrepresent what we believe and have received from God.Our faith in God is also the faith of God; i.e, it can and does grow in our lives when we exercise the measure of faith God has given to every man (Rom 12:3). No exercising, and the measure of faith given to every man by God will atrophy and die.Blessings

First misconception: That we Christians have "blind faith in God," and require such from unbeliever before they too can believe in God. Unbelievers have repeated this mantra so long that they believe it's true.In truth, we Believers believe it requires more "faith" to believe that Creator God is not the cause for our existance, than to believe that Creator God is the cause for our existance. Once unbelievers begin to honestly consider that God is the cause for our existance, and then ask Him for the why, then the God who is reveals/discloses Himself to those who seek Him.

Not correct! I believe in both.It's just that you accept neither objective nor subjective evidence that there is a God.You do not accept the objective evidence because you do not want there to be God who has created a universe and life therein that is infinitely more complex than anything man has been able to design. Instead, you rely on "blind faith" that the universe and life therein has come to be without Creator God.You do not accept the subjective evidence because God does not reveal/manifest Himself to those who are unwilling to believe in Him whom God has sent (John 6:28-29).

It doesn't work that way.You say you are quite prepared to consider God's existance, but have no desire to enter into a relationship with Him. It does no good to simply believe in God's existance, or even try to prove to you that God exists through the things (matter and life) He has created, if it has no other meaning than for you to say, "OK, I believe God is the answer to our "what" existance."If you are not interested in the "why," why even bother considering God's existance, and why should we even bother trying to explain anything to you from the perspective of our relationship with God?

Doesn't vex me at all. You're the one who seems to be vexed by me telling you that God does not show Himself to those who are not willing to consider the "why" of our existance.

You reject the evidence that God gives in His creation story, placing your "faith" in a non-creation happening.Then you wonder why God is silent to you, and is not silent to those enter into a relationship with our Creator God?Bizzarre indeed.

Tell that the Swiss watch maker, or to the designers who designed spacecrafts who took men to the moon and back, or to Salk who discovered how to cure polio. I'm sure all these things would have just evolved all by themselves if given enough time, adaptation, and mutation. The first definition of faith is this: "confidence or trust in a person or thing." Therefore, you must have great faith that there is no God. You say, "Show me the evidence, then I will believe." Yet you reject the evidence God gives in His creation story and life therein. I receive the "subjective evidence" that God says He gives to those who dilligently seek Him (Jer 29:13-14, Heb 11:66), no more and certainly no less.Edited by John 10:10, : No reason given.

Apparently you missed my answer, or cannot read and understand my answer. I assume it's the latter.For this I can offer no help to your unbelief.

All types of animals and insects have been given instincts by their Creator to do all manner of behaviors that cannot be explained by evolution or any other explanation. Man has been given the gift of creativeness moreso than any of God's other creatures. Just as a Swiss watch, a spacecraft, or polio vaccene cannot be made without someone's creative design, neither can the universe spring from nothing and produce complex life forms that are infinitely more complex than the puny things man can creatively design and make. When man can creatively take inanimate matter and breathe life into it and produce a single cell creature that can live and begin to evolve, then man will have something boast about. Until then, .......... Even Muslims believe that God created the heavens and the earth, and all life therein. Where we differ in our beliefs is in the truth of John 6:28-29, and Luke 6:46. The Bible was written by men that God chose and inspired to write God's words (2 Tim 3:16-17). My faith in the God of the Bible is dependant on the many many fulfilled prophesies that were fulfilled in the Person of Jesus, and in the fulfilled promises the Lord Jesus gives to those who love Him and keep His words.

All you prove is that you don't have a clue, nor can you understand what Christian faith is all about. You don't even see that you too have faith, faith that there is no God who is the Creator of our existance.I wish you all the best as you place your faith somewhere other than in the God of the Bible.As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.Blessings

No such thing!This thread is how unbelievers rationalize their "unbelief faith", while trying to look into the things of Christ and analyze the faith of Christians.Jesus said it can't be done unless you are willing to enter into the spiritual kingdom of God (John 3:3-7).It's as simple and as difficult as that!

Let me explain it to you in terms a 5th grader can understand."Belief faith" means that one believes in Creator God, has entered into a relationship with Him, and has allowed Him to be Lord of our lives."Unbelief faith" means that one does not believe in Creator God, has no desire to enter into a relationship with Him, and especially does not want Him to be Lord of their life.

My reply was not to you, and explained "belief faith" and "unbelief faith" as/so a 5th grader could understand. Apparently you still didn't get the message, so what grade are you in?

Quite the contrary, in Mark 10:15 Jesus declares this,

I've explained why I believe in the Person whom God sent (John 6:28-29) many times to unbelievers such as you, and no proof that I can offer will make any difference whatsoever to you. You must find this proof for yourself as I have done. If and when you do, you will find your heart opening up to the truth and reality of who Jesus is and what He wants to do in your life. Until then ............................................