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mike the wiz
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Message 4 of 130 (97510)
04-03-2004 1:53 PM


A thought about biological and spiritual death
Apostle,
Death can be taken, and explained with a literal reading of your bible without it meaning literal death. I will try to explain my idea. You see, I don't like creationists who suggest that if there was a physical death of animals before Adam then Christ's suffering was meaningless - that is not true.
In Genesis it says that if Adam eats of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, he will die. He did not infact physically die immediately. This could mean that there was a spiritual death, and therefore, there could have been a biological death before Adam, of animals and also of, possibly - transitional species. Nevertheless, we can still read our bible relevantly literally, and see that when in the New Testament it is stated that death came into the world by one man and was removed by one man (Christ), that it could have meant spiritual death. Infact, that would still fit properly because we do still die a biological death, but Christ has now made it that our spiritual connection is now the Messiah. Furthermore, Christ being resurrected means that he has conquered death literally, but can you see how you can keep a literal interpretation and not necessarily come to the conclusion that if there was a biological death since the beginning, then Christ's efforts were of none-affect.
I do not like that thing the YEC's say, that being "if death was before Adam, Christianity means nothing". NOT true, hopefully this idea I came up with can show you that science can be reconciled with the bible. I am not saying you shouldn't take a YEC position, I am just trying to show that Christianity will remain intact, YECism or no YECism.

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mike the wiz
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Message 6 of 130 (97577)
04-03-2004 7:15 PM
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04-03-2004 3:11 PM


Re: A thought about biological and spiritual death
I was not thinking of zombies, I was thinking that the creatures would simply live like animals - biological completely, with the usual biological death, and no soul - unmade half-apes. Ofcourse - this is where the evolution would somehow fit in. I am not sure it even happened though, my main point is that death can be explained in another way - without dooming Christianity as some YEC's claim.
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mike the wiz
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Message 8 of 130 (97653)
04-04-2004 9:43 AM
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04-03-2004 11:25 PM


Re: A thought about biological and spiritual death
Well, thanks....I am just "guessing" but I think the first post I made does make logical sense, I would like to think how others would agree/disagree with this idea of heeding it literally, and yet seemingly matching it with biological death having always been there. Ofcourse, it's just an idea really, and there's probably people who came up with it before me.

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