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Author Topic:   A Genesis Day and the Age of the Earth: what does the Bible say?
ochaye
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Message 89 of 121 (501933)
03-08-2009 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Bambootiger
08-24-2008 7:14 PM


cross purposes
quote:
How long is a "day" in the first chapter of Genesis?
24 hrs. However, it is a figurative day, not a real one, having no meaning except a spiritual one. The six days of work correspond to the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross by which his righteousness is imputed to have faith in that sacrifice. The sabbath (rest) is the rest from seeking to justify oneself by doing good works.
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Does the Bible say how old the earth Is?
No. It doesn't even care about that. It's concerned with evil under the sun, and the ending of evil in individual lives is the purpose of the cross.

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ochaye
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Message 91 of 121 (501942)
03-08-2009 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Theodoric
03-08-2009 5:53 PM


Re: cross purposes
'Please explain the logical and theological hoops you jumped through to get to this.'
A convinced customer!

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Message 93 of 121 (501946)
03-08-2009 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Theodoric
03-08-2009 7:43 PM


Re: cross purposes
It's you who have nothing but invented hoops.

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Message 95 of 121 (502578)
03-12-2009 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Daniel4140
03-12-2009 12:11 AM


Re: Gen. 1:5 DAY = LIGHT
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The first definition of "day" in the scripture is given in Genesis 1:5, "day" = "light". It is also the opposite of "darkness" which equals "night".
Yes- 24 hrs. However, it is a figurative day, not a real one, having no meaning except a spiritual one. The six days of work correspond to the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross by which his righteousness is imputed to have faith in that sacrifice. The sabbath (rest) is the rest from seeking to justify oneself by doing good works. For the Israelites, the week and sabbath were prefigurements of the rest that their father Abraham had enjoyed through his faith. Whereas they had been given law via Moses, this law was never a solution- rather, it was a reminder that faith was always the only path that would lead to satisfaction, because they all failed to keep the law.

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ochaye
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Message 97 of 121 (502603)
03-12-2009 1:51 PM
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03-12-2009 12:47 PM


Re: Gen. 1:5 DAY = LIGHT
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Say what you will, but the fact that I can work out the rest of biblical chronology literally without contradiction shows that it is ALL literal.
Why?

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ochaye
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Message 99 of 121 (502617)
03-12-2009 3:00 PM
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03-12-2009 2:10 PM


Re: Gen. 1:5 DAY = LIGHT
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Your one word answer does not qualify.
Why does the fact that you can work out the rest of biblical chronology literally without contradiction show that it is ALL literal?

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Message 110 of 121 (502920)
03-14-2009 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by Daniel4140
03-13-2009 12:43 AM


Re: Gen. 1:5 DAY = LIGHT
When do you think the stars were made? The stars were made, like everything else was made, when God decided to create beings in his own image, that could love. He then knew that not one of them would keep from sinning, and all would have eternal bad conscience, accusing them forever. He then knew that the only way to overcome that was for him to accept the blame himself, and this was to be achieved on a cross in a place called Palestine. That was God's work. After that, he 'rested' (and not for a day!). His creation was made possible because he had made that decision to self sacrifice, and the cross event is expressed as the six days of creation, pictured as six days of the seven-day week that the Israelites kept, though they were to keep the last day as a rest day as a prefigurement of the rest from trying to justify oneself by works that the Christian enjoys.

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