Old Laws Still Valid?

... that Matthew wrote Matthew, that Luke wrote Luke, that Jeremiah wrote Jeremiah, that Isaiah wrote Isaiah, that John wrote John, that Zechariah wrote Zechariah .... etc.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Thanks.Rocky's ok. Very busy running a deli downtown.Oh, that was Magna Carta,

Hi John10:10. I have received Him. I know what you're talking about. Single best decision I have ever made in my entire life.Consider that some of these posters count it sport to harden theirs hearts to the truth of the gospel. Allow them their little season of fun.I put the Scripture to music and recently finished a version of JOhn 10:10. If you'd like to have a CD of Scripture songs email me at
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John 10:10, Just to inform you, I don't read or respond to posts by Ringo.

Let's see now. Is God merciful or not?In Genesis chapter 15 God tells Abraham that He will not bring Israel into the good land yet. They have to wait for another four hundred years. Why? Because the people of Canaan are not bad enough for God to bring such severe judgement on them.Genesis 15:16 - "And in the fourth generation they will come here again, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete"God will hold off. He needs another four hundred years at least before the Amorites are so evil that God has to come in with such a severe judgment. And this judgment most likely is not only to save the land but the earth. They are THAT bad that the human race is probably at stake.So then 400 years latter and the Canaanites (aka Amorites) are worthy of judgment. Does God come in right away? No. He gives them another 40 years to either disperse or repent.Israel wanders in the desert for 40 years. The Canaanites have in reputation what the army of Jehovah can do. News of what God wreaked on Egypt has made them a fearful people. Some of the people of Jericho are scared to death.God seems willing to give those societies another 40 years of mercy. Meantime, more child sacrifices and sexual acts with animals, etc.Finally, after 40 years the hardest of the hard remain in the land of Canaan. Those who saw judgment coming probably either left or I assume otherwise exempted from the terrible judgment to come. I don't know for sure without more study. But the hardest of the hard remain when the army of Jehovah comes.I do see God commanding execution without pity in some cases. I do not see God commanding the Jews - "Thou shalt rape women". I don't see that. I do see a severe judgment upon the people of Canaan. In some cases it is genocide.Yet at the same time the Israelite kings got a reputation with the Syrians as being merciful kings.What the eternal destiny of those slain by the sword is not known by me in those cases. I do know that Jesus said in essence that men would stand up in the last judgment and in effect say "What was it with you people anyway? If this Jesus had come to us we would have repented long ago."So, I wonder if more severe divine judgment, than was to the Canaanites is reserved for those who oppose the Son of God as is commonly done since He walked the earth 2,000 years ago.Do skeptics of the Bible really take everything into account in a fair way?Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

The thread was started on 11/29/2006I have participated in it or in one very close to it. But you are right that I have not gone back to the beginning. It sounds like something discussed at least the second time since I have been a participant.Strickly speaking, no I have not recently gone back from the start to read all posts.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

One of the reasons this is relevant because God had to take considerable time to establish one thing. That is His hatred for sin.Some of the severe penelaties in the Old Testament do the job of teaching us that sin is an abomination to God. We do not have the Savior Jesus coming right after the third chapter of Genesis. He doesn't come in the beginning of Exodus. Time is needed to educate the Jews and all mankind for that matter of the divine retribution for sins.That Christ died on the cross for our sins would not mean as much if God had not taken the Old Testament time to establish the awfulness of sin and His judgements upon it. This wrath is accomplished upon Christ on our behalf. He is the Lamb of God to take away the sins of the whole world. Marvelous.Secondly, the fall of man was a Anti-salvation. This is the first time I have ever heard this term used anywhere. I think it is useful to help people understand what the born again experience is. It is to undo the effects of the Satanic nature being "born" into man.To be born again is not to receive a ticket to go to heaven. It is to reverse the Satanification of man. The fall brought mankind into a union with Satan. Or let me put it this way:Satan usually tries to run ahead of God and create a false parellel of God's plan. God wanted to dispense His life into man. That is why He placed Adam before "the tree of life". Instead of God imparting His life and nature into man, the seduced man received the Satanic nature. Man became Satanified - infested with a cosmic evil spiritual force.We don't understand everything about this host / parasite relationship man has with "the spirit which is now operating in the sons of disobdience." (EPh.2:2).But the rebirth and regeneration with the Spirit of God is the Salvation verses the Anti-salvation of man being Satanified in his union with God's enemy.Christ came to exactly REVERSE the Devil's process and mingle God with man.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

There will be also degrees of punishment or discipline to believers.Many Bible teachers recognize degrees of rewards to those eternally redeemed. But for some reason they do not also see the degrees of discipline to believers during the millennial kingdom after the second coming of Christ.Degrees of greatness or reward may be illustrated by this passage: Obviously, practicing and teaching the commandments of Christ will result in a higher degree of honor in the kingdom of the heavens then annulling His teaching.Since only believers in Christ comprise the kingdom of the heavens this is just one example of many showing degrees of reward in that kingdom.Now for degrees of punishment in the kingdom we can site one clear example: The context of this conclusion is clearly the watching and faithfulness of the servants of Christ for His second coming (Luke 12:35-48).If we notice degrees of reward we have to also notice degrees of punishment. The slave who knew better what her master expected and did not prepare will receive "many lashes". Lashes here are lashes of discipline of course. And conversely the slave who was less informed as to what her master expected and acted unworthily will receive a less punishment in the form of "few lashes"Unbelievers are not the slave of the Lord Christ. So the passage can only be talking aboout His disciples. To whom much has been revealed much will be expected from him in the second coming of Christ. This of course shows that there are different levels of consciousness of the what Christ wants from those who were saved. That could be because of the kind of shepherding and teaching they were under.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Anastasia, being born again is a gift. You simply receive the gift and thank the Lord Jesus the Giver.Let me write that again because, well because it is so good.Being regenerated of the Holy Spirit, being born anew, is a GIFT. You excercise the little bit of faith that is like a mustard seed within your heart and you simply recieve the gift of Christ.The gift of the new birth is indivisibly united with the Person of Jesus Christ. You receive Christ into your heart and the new birth comes with Him.You open up and RECEIVE the G I F T."But as many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to become children of God, to those who believe into His name,

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Who were begotten not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God" (John 1:12,13)Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

No you don't. You only need to be born ONCE. You only need to be born again ONCE.Of course you need to grow and learn to walk in the new life with which you are born.Your outlook is good. But don't take it too far. You only need to be born again once. That is right that to be born again is more than a ticket to heaven and out of hell.However, you only need to be regenerated one time. You CAN only be regenerated one time. You need to learn to walk in the Spirit. You do need to grow in the divine life. It is rather like the natural birth. Do you at 30 years old say you are still being born?If you are concerned that the new birth not be thought of as an end in itself, I agree with you. It should not be thought of as an end in itself. But the remedy for that error is not to say everyday you need to be born again.Some brands of Arminianism would agree with you. They have an elevator salvation. To them you are born of God today and unborn of God tomorrow and born of God again the next day. This has not precedent in the New Testament.You are born of God once. And you cannot be unborn of God once you are born of God. And to grow in the divine life you should have a firm foundation in this understanding.Those who attempt to go back to be reborn again and again are foolish. YOu need to stand on the firm foundation that having received Christ you have been born of God forever. It cannot be reversed.Then on this firm foundation you can go on to learn to walk by the Spirit and live abiding in Christ as the true vine.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Why is the human spirit regenerated? It is because of Christ as righteousness. We are regenerated because we receive Christ as our righteousness."But if Christ is in you ... the spirit is life because of righteousness" (Rom. 8:10)Christ as righteousness will not fade. He is righteousness forever. He will not become unrighteousness. The human spirit is regenerated and becomes life because of righteousness. And that righteousness is Christ Himself.The human spirit is regenerated and born of God because of Christ as righteousness.The believer's behavior will thereafter effect her or his growth in that life. It will not effect the birth of the life within them.Perhaps those still clinging to a salvation of works dress such a belief in saying we have to be reborn every moment. Perhaps they mean you have to turn over a new leaf many times.But regeneration is not turning over a new leaf. And it is not deciding to do better by golly next time. It is being reborn in your spirit because of Christ as righteousness which you receive:" ... the spirit is life because of righteousness"

The dispensational reward in the kingdom can be lost. The talent can be lost and given to another. The gift of the new birth is irrevocable.It is ironic. Some trying not to make the evangelical mistake of making the born again experience everything, do the same thing in another way.So every passage on the Christian life they relate to the born again experience. How else would they come up with a belief that the new birth could be unborn out of a person? They apply some other verse to the new birth. In trying to escape over doing "born again" they fall into the same mistake in another way.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

I fully agree with you that salvation is moment by moment in the sense of the daily walk in the Spirit of Christ.But that is another matter. I need a salvation from my temper? Yes. I need a salvation from jealousy, from lust, from depression, from foolishness? Yes, Yes, yes.The word salvation has different conotations in the Bible. And I completely agree with you that I need to "work out [my own salvation] with fear and trembling" as Paul says in Philippians.But that is not being reborn and reborn and reborn and reborn again and again. No.That is growing once one has BEEN reborn.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

What is it to be born again?It is to receive another life within you in addition to the life you were born with.To be born again is to have Someone BORN in you. That is Christ. You were born with the natural life that you received from your mother and father. You are born again with a spiritual life from Someone Who is alive and lives and is able to enter into your being."The last Adam became a life giving Spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45)Christ, became a life giving Spirit. He transfigured Himself into a form in which He can give divine life into your being. When Christ comes into you the life giving Spirit comes into you and gives you life. That is the ZOE life of God - the divine and uncreated eternal life of the God-man Jesus. So this is why in our limited language we say "Let Jesus into your heart." We mean let the life giving Spirit that He became into the kernel and the innermost part of your whole being.Then once the life giving Spirit come into you "He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit" (1 Cor. 6:17)The innermost kernel of a man or woman - the human spirit, becomes united with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the life giving Spirit that the last Adam became. In short the human spirit becomes mingled and blended with the life giving Holy Spirit.The Lord is the Spirit (2 Cor. 3:17). Because the Lord Jesus, the last Adam, became a life giving Spirit (1 Cor. 15:45)This is not all that can be said about this. Jesus brought the man Jesus of Nazareth, into the eternal Spirit of God. And the eternal Spirit of God then became the life giving Spirit.The first instance of Him giving life is when He gives life in the born again experience. He gives life and the believers is born because of the life that He gives. Which life is Himself.It is marvelous.

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