Old Laws Still Valid?

... that Matthew wrote Matthew, that Luke wrote Luke, that Jeremiah wrote Jeremiah, that Isaiah wrote Isaiah, that John wrote John, that Zechariah wrote Zechariah .... etc.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

jaywill Excellent comeback jaywill. A masterful stroke of refuting an offered assertion with a dynamically devastating attack full of substance and relevant evidence to humble jar with its blistering logic and succinct reasoning.How is Rocky these days?

Thanks.Rocky's ok. Very busy running a deli downtown.Oh, that was Magna Carta,

The Old Covenant laws were given by God to lead us to the New Covenant salvation relationship that is in Christ Jesus.Yes, God's saving grace is offered to ALL - John 3:16. Jesus says it is offered to ALL so that the world MIGHT be saved through Him - John 3:17. But if God's saving grace is rejected, one has been judged already because he chose not to believe in the only begotten Son of God - John 3:18. Maybe you think this judgment somehow means eventual salvation for unbelievers, but Rev 20:15 says differently.Perhaps someday you will understand the message.Edited by John 10:10, : Added comment

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The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

But what does it mean to "believe" in Him?Surely believing that He existed is trivial. Surely believing that He wandered around the Middle East performing miracles is trivial. Surely believing that He was crucified, died and rose on the third day is trivial.Surely believing in Him means believing in the message He brought.With reference to the law, His message was:

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Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

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Believing in Him means loving God by loving your neighbour as yourself. All other professions of belief are worthless in the eyes of the law.

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Well, you back harping on salvation again like it was something important or related to this thread or topic.The topic is, "Old Laws Still Valid?"We are now reaching the end of this thread. Way back in Message 96 I listed some of the Old Laws. If you would like to support the position that they are still valid then fine, present your best case.We realize that you believe someone must believe in Jesus to be saved. That too is fine. If you want to believe that, no problem. Frankly, it makes the God that you worship nothing more than some bling-bling pimp daddy that gets pissed if She is dissed, but if that is all you need to satisfy your God Itch, then it works for you.I simply cannot imagine that the GOD who created the universe, who created all the laws of science and the system of evolution, is as tiny and picayune as the goddlet you present. But if your little goddlet works for you, may you enjoy your creation.

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But what does it mean to "believe" in Him? It means what John says in John 1:12-13,"But as many as received Him (the Lord Jesus), to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God."Those that are born of God are "born again" by God's Spirit as Jesus declares in John 3:3-7, thus entering into the kingdom of God.Without being "born again" and receiving the gift of God's Spirit, one cannot understand the message, let alone obey the message. Believing that the Lord Jesus was crucified, died for our sins and rose on the third day is NOT trivial. It is the essence of the Gospel of Christ. The Lord now sits at the right hand of the Father (Acts 2:33). Do you believe this as well?

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The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

But what does it mean to "receive" Him, if not to receive the message that He brought? But what does it mean to be "born again", if not to start over, to make a new beginning, a new life as He told us to live? But the message is very simple: Love God and love thy neighbour as thyself. The living of the message isn't always easy, but the understanding of it is very simple.You're ignoring what Jesus Himself said about the law: The letter of the law, such as "Thou shalt not eat shrimp," is not valid unless it effects your neighbour. Today, for example, the law might be, "Thou shalt not send peanut butter to school in thy children's lunches," because your child's lunch might kill your neighbour's child.It's all relative.

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Your reply is difficult to understand, but I will try. I am beginning to think you have not read the OT much. I have discovered that to be the case with many Christians. Don't they teach this stuff in Sunday school? Do we send our soldiers to battle with such guidelines? What reason am I mocking? Your link and white rabbit add to the discussion just how?

anyone who makes either assumption has not read the bible, or else has not understood it. oh no, they never like that sort of thing. they'd rather god be an automaton, some invisible superman that also lacks free will and intelligence. a big black box they can get nice, easy, consistent answers from.i, and others, have made this point here time and time again: the bible does not portray god so simply, or as one sided as they think. god does things and says he will do things that he himself calls evil. god calls his own past actions evil, and occasionally says that he regrets them. we document this easily with verses and entire passages from the bible, and somehow they manage to continue contending that god is wholely good and can do no wrong, and that the bible is the word of god, and that god is infallible. but if god says in the bible that he did evil, or made a mistake, clearly (at least) one of those contentions must be wrong.

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Hi John10:10. I have received Him. I know what you're talking about. Single best decision I have ever made in my entire life.Consider that some of these posters count it sport to harden theirs hearts to the truth of the gospel. Allow them their little season of fun.I put the Scripture to music and recently finished a version of JOhn 10:10. If you'd like to have a CD of Scripture songs email me at
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Then you must have received His message. You must be adept at loving your neighbour as yourself - for example, not snubbing him when he talks to you. You must understand that that is the fulfillment of the law.

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You ask, "But what does it mean to "receive" Him, if not to receive the message that He brought?"The gift of eternal life that Jesus gives is found first in the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ. Then you can move on to the message the Lord gives.You ask, "But what does it mean to be "born again", if not to start over, to make a new beginning, a new life as He told us to live?"Yes, it means precisely that. Nicodemus asked the same question of Jesus on John 3:4. Jesus replied, "Unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God (John 3:5).Those who concentrate only on the message without first entering into the new covenant "born again" relationship with Jesus have missed the saving Gospel of Christ.2 Cor 3:6 "who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life."Blessings

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The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

John 10:10, Just to inform you, I don't read or respond to posts by Ringo.

I would never try to trivialize belief in Jesus walking around the earth or being crucified or any of it, but, honestly there are millions of people who never heard of Him let alone had enough info to believe in Him. That is kind of an unfair predicament, isn't it?I also do not take a pluralistic view of religion BUT I believe that ALL men have the opportunity to believe in the Message of God and to make good choices through the gift of reason which will lead them to salvation.